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2: NC and TR

3: NC, TR and Vanu

[zombat]

Have slug rounds for pump action shotguns been nerfed?

I seem to remember testing them the other day on the firing range and getting one shot headshot kills to 40 meters, and two in the body at 50, with a very flat bullet drop and high accuracy.
Tried it again today whilst picking out a scope, finding I can only one shot at ~25 meters, 50 meters was taking three body shots, had to aim a little bit high to headshot at 50m, and the accuracy wasn't as tight.

This is with the TR's Blackjack

[Jim Groovester]

I believe at some point they were nerfed, maybe a game update or two or three ago.

[DJ]

Huh, I always needed one headshot and one bodyshot with Sweeper slugs.

[Sonlirain]

Huh, I always needed one headshot and one bodyshot with Sweeper slugs.

That's because at close range semi auto shotguns need either 3 torso shots or 1 headshot + 1 shot aimed at whatever.
Pump action shotguns now need you to be pretty close to whomever you want to kill and you can't oneshot anyone with slugs unless it's a headshot at close range.
You still can however oneshot someone with torso hit if you are NOT using slugs.

Note that it's mostly based on my VR experience so nanoweave might muddy up my tests.

[zombat]

The difference is between a few days, I originally tested slugs when heavy shotguns were on sale last week

[Neyvn]

OH SOE and their TERRIBLE Customer Service...

Greetings,

I have removed a thread with the title “Ok TR is Overpowered, VS is Overpowered. Lets make NC back to Normal.” for trolling. Trolling is not a permitted form of communication on our forums and is defined by SOE as posting provocatively with reasonable expectation of provoking an emotional response (intentional or not). Openly calling for "Nerfs" (blanket reductions to abilities) is not allowed. If you feel something is overpowered or needs to be toned back, post your constructive comments and explanations. Please take a moment to review the forum guidelines and abide by them in the future.

Spoiler: Ok TR is Overpowered, VS is Overpowered. Lets make NC back to Normal (click to show/hide)

    “Back to normal you ask???
    Yes, Normal as in back before the Nerfs, All of them...
    The reasoning behind the claim that NC was overpowered in the past was because TR and VS were never built correctly. As in they had their Lore Base but nothing that really fitted them. Or so we first thought. Now they are powerhorses, their Maxsuits deadly, their Tanks Deadly. Everything about them deadly...

    NC.... Yeah... How many Servers end up with NC players swapping factions, or NC Warpgated nearly half the day or Farmed by BOTH Factions at the same time at the same location...

    Who in VS never fly over TR ground due to their Strikers, yet gleefully flutter around NC territories nearly untouched...

    Who looks at a Reaver and thinks not "Oh **** ESF HIDE" But "Oh someone wrapped me some EXP and is bringing it right to me."

    Who actually FEARS NC???
    Who LAUGHS at NC???

    NC Lore has been thrown out the window by these Nerfs. Anything and Everything that is written in the Lore is ignored or even just left sitting there as a remenet of NCs past. The times that it was a Faction that was able to face off against the other two with strength and knowledge that anything that they could dish out, the NC could...

    To me, the Scatter Nerf was 3 steps to far, I am not saying that they were not overpowered, but there was countless ways to counter a Scatter Push. Distance, C4, Rockets, Traps, Mines, Just shooting them from over 20m. Sure they could charge, but that meant they left their Engies behind and if they died they were too far away for a medic to rez. But there was that Nerf, then no one really played with NC Maxes anymore...

    Then the New Toys came in for everyone, A Granade Launcher that might as well be a Shotgun for all I can tell (It fires Multiple Shots at once, is that not a shotgun.) The ZOE, And the Shield. Which I might mention is one of the most underwhelming item in the game so far...

    NC has been Nerfed too far they are now Livestock waiting to be slaughtered. Can we please put the Teeth and Claws back into them. AND STOP WITH THE SHOTGUN ****...”

Thank you,
-20

[Sonlirain]

Yeah even as TR i'd rather fly my mossy over NC space rather than VS since the VS get that annoying hitscan laser cannon while NC get a situational toy that's only really dangerous when you sit and lolpod... oh and the basic lockons people just outrun with AB.

The only good thing about the NC i is probably the vortek rotary... it's just a sick gun.

[bluejello]

nah, the VS laser cannon is not hitscan, just travels at 850Mps at its max charge I think, 650 or 750 at its first/second if I recall correctly.  just enough that it makes shooting at a plane a tad bit challanging at range if the plane is moving.

Also, shooting a plane with a tank round (not skyguard) is very rewarding, it was coming straight at me firing on me and did not try to dodge when I missed it, so I managed to hit it the second time.

[zombat]

Last night a reaver strafed my prowler's back plate, I went from full health to red health in a matter of seconds.

[Neyvn]

Last night a reaver strafed my prowler's back plate, I went from full health to red health in a matter of seconds.

Wow... Better Call Nerf on Reavers now...
Seriously though, 9/10 Mozzies and Scythes seem to be able to do that to my Vanguards from ANY Angle as long as its from behind, If I go for a rear of a Mag or Prowler, I would be lucky to even get it down half at the angles I get attacked from...

[Sonlirain]

Speaking of angles...

What's the top armor of tanks anyway?
The front is the toughest.
The sides are relatively strong.
The rear is paper.
The top is... a mystery for me... yet apparently strong enough for ESFs to avoid pummeling tanks from straight up.

[palsch]

What's the top armor of tanks anyway?
The front is the toughest.
The sides are relatively strong.
The rear is paper.
The top is... a mystery for me... yet apparently strong enough for ESFs to avoid pummeling tanks from straight up.

Depends on the tank. I'm taking this from PS2 calc and hoping it's not outdated, although some of the damage types do seem dodgy right now. The percentages are the reduction before damage type is taken into account (usually means a further huge reduction), split into base and upgraded.

Lightning;
Front armour 65/72%
Side armour 58/66%
Top armour 58/66%
Rear armour 0%

Magrider;
Front armour 63/65%
Side armour 58/66%
Top armour 58/66%
Rear armour 30%

Prowler;
Front armour 63/68%
Side armour 58/66%
Top armour 58/66%
Rear armour 30%

Vanguard;
Front armour 68/72%
Side armour 65/75%
Top armour 65/75%
Rear armour 35%

Remember again that this is only damage reduction before damage type alterations. A Lightning may have stronger front armour than a Prowler, but its lower health means it takes one less round from an AP Vanguard to kill the Lightning.

So basically top is always the same as side, but you can only have one of the two upgraded so have to choose. On a Vanguard upgraded side/top armour is the toughest armour in the game - even stronger than upgraded front armour - and given you mostly play anti-tank in a Vanguard it makes sense to go with the upgraded side armour. Unless you prefer nanite auto repair, which works really well with the shield.

My dream Vanguard would be side armour, maxed shield, rival chassis and fully upgraded AP cannon and Enforcer. Rolled as a gunner in similar in the past and they dominate with a halfway competent crew.

[zombat]

Do you have the HP numbers for each of the tanks?

Bit weird that the tank that's designed to pill box has the same armor as the ones that's highly manoeuvrable

[palsch]

HP is at the link, but 3k for Lightning, 4k for all MBT. Vanguard shield is an extra 3k when it's up.

[Neyvn]

So basically top is always the same as side, but you can only have one of the two upgraded so have to choose. On a Vanguard upgraded side/top armour is the toughest armour in the game - even stronger than upgraded front armour - and given you mostly play anti-tank in a Vanguard it makes sense to go with the upgraded side armour. Unless you prefer nanite auto repair, which works really well with the shield.

My dream Vanguard would be side armour, maxed shield, rival chassis and fully upgraded AP cannon and Enforcer. Rolled as a gunner in similar in the past and they dominate with a halfway competent crew.

I go with the Auto Repair, Shield and a wonderful AP Titan. I have the Enforcer on top too. Funny enough these days I don't really need a secondary unless I know that the area is going to be swamped with Infantry as the Secondary has a better sight value, great for keeping watch for C4ers...
The other day I liturally took down around 20 Prowlers, one after the other with tons of lightnings mixed in all by myself. WAS FUCKING FUN. I mean I was just going around popping them then retreateing to repair then forwards again. A couple of Friends and myself in just 2 Vanguards pretty much halted a Prowler Push by ourselves, took out what seemed to be 15 Tanks and 5 Sundies in total before backup arrived. They just kept coming over the hill into our cannon fire...

When that went down I pulled my AP Lightning, still OWNED with that as well. One moment I was over extended, so I start retreating, take a hit, tap reverse and jump out, repairing as I run beside my rolling lightning, jumping back in, reverse, jump out repair while running, rinse and repeat to almost safety, then I hit a wall and lose the lightning to an ESF... Still think it looked and felt funny as hell too...