I suggest you try to understand what terms mean before letting definitions do your arguing for you. It is not an ad hominem attack to point out that someone is either lying or operating under false assumptions, and it is not an ad hominem attack to respond to insults in kind. Neither am I making the second fallacy; I have no disagreement with the statement, "There are balance issues in PS2," but I do take issue with people trying to support a narrow, self-serving strain of that with obviously false evidence. Even if I hardly played the game I would still take issue with that; it's intellectually dishonest. I also see no good reason why VS should be toned down at medium ranges, considering that we also suffer from recoil and do not have the highest-RoF weapons. If you want to argue seriously, you might want to consider doing something beyond saying that VS is OP and accusing people of making fallacious arguments with no real support for your accusations.
There's a difference between a straight out lie and being ignorant. I'm not saying that he was right in saying that they were the highest, because they're certainly not, but neither is it right for you to completely ignore the rest of his argument just because he had one mistake in it. That is "the fallacy fallacy" - Ignoring everything else because it's been poorly argued or the argument contains a logical fallacy.
Very likely he thought that because of the Serpent, which has the highest RoF in the entire game - 845 RPM, matched only by the TR burst pistol, which can only get that high if you've got a godly clicking finger or a macro, the TR Cycler, and the NC GD-7F, which has a higher recoil but slightly lower first shot recoil multiplier. People on the official forums focus a lot on the Serpent as the reason the VS is OP against TR, but it's an unsubstantiated argument in the end since overall their RoF is better than the NC, but still not as good as the TR.
Also, if you haven't been paying attention, I have stated why VS are OP multiple times, as have others (Including the person you're reaming for making one mistake). The damage drop off hardly has any effect at medium ranges, where it actually does
more damage. Reread Silfurdreki's post
here, whose post was professional, yet you completely ignored the point he made and began throwing insults like it was part of your argument. I'm beginning to see a pattern here.
Incidentally, let's look at the carbines:
VS Carbine with lowest recoil: Serpent, 0.22 vert and left recoil, 2.5x first shot multi
TR Carbine with lowest recoil: TRAC-5, 0.3 vert, right recoil, 2.35x first shot multi
NC Carbine with lowest recoil: GD-7F, 0.3 vert, left recoil, 2x first shot multi.
Hardly a stunning advantage, and most VS weapons are closer to the average. The Serpent, incidentally, also has a very long reload time.
Looking at one set of weapons, whether it be weapon class or recoil, is hardly indicative of whether or not an entire empire is overpowered. You also didn't mention that VS holds the four lowest recoil numbers in carbines (As well as beating the TR in RoF with several guns), has the lowest average recoil with Assault Rifles, and is on par with TR with recoil on LMGs* (The VS have lower first shot multipliers as well). Across the board, their recoil is lower, their recoil multipliers are lower, they have no bullet drop, and the damage drop off on their weapons is superior at medium ranges, where the majority of combat encounters take place. Even at long ranges, the minimum damage is hardly significant compared to other factions, and they take much longer to reach minimum damage.
Using nothing but numbers and facts, no anecdotal evidence, I've proven that the VS is more powerful than other factions simply because the disadvantage that their faction has is hardly a disadvantage at all. Having asymmetrical balance is a tricky business, but PS2 hasn't nailed it yet.
Also note that I'm
not saying that the NC don't need a minor buff. The November patch helped a little, and another small buff on low RoF guns would do wonders for the NC balance, as well as other factions' high damage weapons. The TR and VS were fairly on par at one time, until the November patch, where TR got a CoF nerf. The one real disadvantage that the VS have is that the Lasher takes exactly three years to kill something, which is pretty ridiculous.
Also, in case you try to deflect the argument again with cries of "You're whining because you suck":
Here's my main character's stats. I'm purely infantry and rarely get in any vehicles except for transport. My K/D ratio is 2.65, my K/D ratio against TR is 3.04, my K/D ratio against VS is 2.59. I spend a fair amount of time defending bases, since I enjoy it more than attacking, which is part of why my K/D ratio is so high, but I'm hardly a scrub begging for the faction that kills me more to be nerfed. I also play a medic for the most part, so my K/D ratio isn't bloated by using Bouncing Betties and the like.
*One exception, the MSW-R, which has a .35 recoil, where the comparable VS gun has a .4 recoil.
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