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Author Topic: [MODDING] CREATURE & ENTITY QUESTIONS THREAD  (Read 697097 times)

ChaosPotato

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Re: [MODDING] CREATURE & ENTITY QUESTIONS THREAD
« Reply #4890 on: December 05, 2020, 02:52:25 am »
Quote from: Eric Blank on December 04, 2020, 12:36:19 am
It looks like it should all work. Have you tried changing the tissue layer on the secretions from ALL to TOOTH and SKIN? Maybe it just doesn't like ALL...
I just tried that and it didn't work.
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Re: [MODDING] CREATURE & ENTITY QUESTIONS THREAD
« Reply #4891 on: December 05, 2020, 07:16:45 am »
Quote from: Sky-Streamer on December 04, 2020, 10:07:22 am
How do you make it so that an enemy will attack by spitting a ball of rancid milk at an opponent? Yes, this is an actual question.
It's definitely possible (well, the milk part, you can't do rotten milk specifically, but you could embellish it a bit). The best place to start would be from the spit interaction that appears on most civilised creatures:
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[CAN_DO_INTERACTION:MATERIAL_EMISSION]
      [CDI:ADV_NAME:Spit]
      [CDI:USAGE_HINT:NEGATIVE_SOCIAL_RESPONSE]
      [CDI:USAGE_HINT:TORMENT]
      [CDI:BP_REQUIRED:BY_CATEGORY:MOUTH]
      [CDI:MATERIAL:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SPIT:LIQUID_GLOB]
      [CDI:VERB:spit:spits:NA]
      [CDI:TARGET:C:LINE_OF_SIGHT]
      [CDI:TARGET_RANGE:C:15]
      [CDI:MAX_TARGET_NUMBER:C:1]
      [CDI:WAIT_PERIOD:30]
The section in yellow is what tells the creature what situations it should use the interaction in, via USAGE_HINTs. The wiki lists each of the hints here, and you'll notice that one of them is for ATTACK - including this as a USAGE_HINT will cause the creature to use this spitting interaction as an attack, which is what you want.
The section in green is what material the creature spits. Since the spit is already a glob of liquid (defined by LIQUID_GLOB), all you have to is change the material that you want it to use (unless you want it to be in a different form - check out the table here for all the different forms). Simply replace that section with the material of your "rancid milk" and the creature will spit that instead. If you're new to material modding, start by checking out how creature milk is defined in a creature like a cow and work from there - perhaps changing the name of your milk to "rancid milk", and adding one of the TEMP_DIET_INFO options to make people grossed out for drinking it). One warning about using the MILK_TEMPLATE in your creature, though: it expects the creature to also have a cheese material, so if you use that template, you also have to add a cheese to the creature too (I'm not sure how nice rancid cheese sounds...)!
For all the other modifiable things concerning the interaction, check out the interaction usage token section on the wiki.

Quote from: ChaosPotato on December 03, 2020, 05:07:56 pm
This creature isn't secreting the acid material that I gave it.
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Spoiler: The secretion part (click to show/hide)
Do the custom body detail plans you're using actually add any tissue layers to the teeth and tongue? Secretions come from tissues, and so without any layers of tissues, nothing will happen (even if you are selecting ALL layers - all of nothing is still nothing). That's my guess anyway, though I imagine that's something that the errorlog would complain about.
« Last Edit: December 05, 2020, 07:59:52 am by Atkana »
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Re: [MODDING] CREATURE & ENTITY QUESTIONS THREAD
« Reply #4892 on: December 05, 2020, 09:49:28 am »
Alright! Thank you!!
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Re: [MODDING] CREATURE & ENTITY QUESTIONS THREAD
« Reply #4893 on: December 05, 2020, 11:19:22 am »
Quote from: Atkana on December 05, 2020, 07:16:45 am
Quote from: ChaosPotato on December 03, 2020, 05:07:56 pm
This creature isn't secreting the acid material that I gave it.
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Spoiler: The secretion part (click to show/hide)
Do the custom body detail plans you're using actually add any tissue layers to the teeth and tongue? Secretions come from tissues, and so without any layers of tissues, nothing will happen (even if you are selecting ALL layers - all of nothing is still nothing). That's my guess anyway, though I imagine that's something that the errorlog would complain about.
Yes.
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Re: [MODDING] CREATURE & ENTITY QUESTIONS THREAD
« Reply #4894 on: December 05, 2020, 11:55:17 am »
Quote from: ChaosPotato on December 05, 2020, 11:19:22 am
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Oh, I think I know what it is. Secretions need the tissue layers they use to have been set up first. Put the secretions after the body detail plans.
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Re: [MODDING] CREATURE & ENTITY QUESTIONS THREAD
« Reply #4895 on: December 14, 2020, 01:34:18 pm »
I am trying to create a creature that drops gold and iron ore when butchered, but I am not sure how to change the extra butcher object token.

[EXTRA_BUTCHER_OBJECT:BY_CATEGORY:GIZZARD] I am not sure what this would change to?
   [EBO_ITEM:SMALLGEM:NONE:ANY_HARD_STONE] Would this be METAL_ORE instead of SMALLGEM and GOLD instead of ANY_HARD_STONE?
   [EBO_SHAPE:GIZZARD_STONE] Would I just delete this?

Can I use this token more than once to drop multiple items?

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Re: [MODDING] CREATURE & ENTITY QUESTIONS THREAD
« Reply #4896 on: December 14, 2020, 06:14:52 pm »
Quote from: brolol.404 on December 14, 2020, 01:34:18 pm
I am trying to create a creature that drops gold and iron ore when butchered, but I am not sure how to change the extra butcher object token.
[EXTRA_BUTCHER_OBJECT:BY_CATEGORY:GIZZARD] I am not sure what this would change to?
   [EBO_ITEM:SMALLGEM:NONE:ANY_HARD_STONE] Would this be METAL_ORE instead of SMALLGEM and GOLD instead of ANY_HARD_STONE?
   [EBO_SHAPE:GIZZARD_STONE] Would I just delete this?
Can I use this token more than once to drop multiple items?

Could try gold ore from EXTRA_BUTCHER_OBJECT:BY_TOKEN:xxxbrain, silver ore from EXTRA_BUTCHER_OBJECT:BY_TOKEN:xxxliver ...
I reckon that EBO:gizzard and then another EBO:gizzard would just overwrite the previous declaration.

This may be helpful, skip EBO altogether:
How Deon's Animated Armor creature drops equipment on death:
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Re: [MODDING] CREATURE & ENTITY QUESTIONS THREAD
« Reply #4897 on: December 14, 2020, 08:24:16 pm »
Quote from: TomiTapio on December 14, 2020, 06:14:52 pm
This may be helpful, skip EBO altogether:
How Deon's Animated Armor creature drops equipment on death:
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Thanks! I will do something similar to the animated armor and skip extra butcher item.
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« Reply #4898 on: December 14, 2020, 10:03:06 pm »
Any help with this? I have no errors. I am trying to get a gold ore and an iron bar (for testing purposes) after butchering, but I get neither. I get the standard butcher meat from butchering.

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EDIT: do the guts have to be the same material as the butcher item? (ie. do the 'guts' have to be made of gold to butcher into gold ore?
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Re: [MODDING] CREATURE & ENTITY QUESTIONS THREAD
« Reply #4899 on: December 15, 2020, 03:07:39 am »
Quote from: brolol.404 on December 14, 2020, 10:03:06 pm
Any help with this? I have no errors. I am trying to get a gold ore and an iron bar (for testing purposes) after butchering, but I get neither. I get the standard butcher meat from butchering.

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A material can only have 1 BUTCHER_SPECIAL entry. In this case, you're getting meat because it's the last one being entered, overwriting the previous entries. If you want control over the exact amounts of items, and to be able to have multiple different items provided (based on how that part is structured in memory, it looks that it might be possible, though I've not tried it in raw modding myself), you should be using EXTRA_BUTCHER_OBJECT on the creature instead.

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Here's an example of a quick edit I made to alligators, to make their gizzards additionally drop 1 boulder of native gold, 1 boulder of hematite, and 1 toy axe made of alligator bone:
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[EXTRA_BUTCHER_OBJECT:BY_CATEGORY:GIZZARD]
  [EBO_ITEM:BOULDER:NONE:INORGANIC:NATIVE_GOLD]
[EXTRA_BUTCHER_OBJECT:BY_CATEGORY:GIZZARD]
  [EBO_ITEM:BOULDER:NONE:INORGANIC:HEMATITE]
[EXTRA_BUTCHER_OBJECT:BY_CATEGORY:GIZZARD]
  [EBO_ITEM:TOY:ITEM_TOY_AXE:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:BONE]
If you want more of a particular item to drop, then just include an EXTRA_BUTCHER_OBJECT entry for it again. This gives you a lot more control over exact amounts than using BUTCHER_SPECIAL, since the amounts from BUTCHER_SPECIAL vary based on the size of the creature and how much of the material they have in their body (that's why you get different amounts of meat when butchering creatures).
« Last Edit: December 15, 2020, 03:28:00 am by Atkana »
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Re: [MODDING] CREATURE & ENTITY QUESTIONS THREAD
« Reply #4900 on: December 15, 2020, 09:41:04 am »
Quote from: Atkana on December 15, 2020, 03:07:39 am
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[EXTRA_BUTCHER_OBJECT:BY_CATEGORY:GIZZARD]
  [EBO_ITEM:BOULDER:NONE:INORGANIC:NATIVE_GOLD]
[EXTRA_BUTCHER_OBJECT:BY_CATEGORY:GIZZARD]
  [EBO_ITEM:BOULDER:NONE:INORGANIC:HEMATITE]

Awesome. this worked thanks!
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« Reply #4901 on: December 16, 2020, 03:59:23 pm »
Is it possible to create an entity that will never survive to the end of world generation, but can still thrive if played fortress mode?
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« Reply #4902 on: December 16, 2020, 07:05:09 pm »
*never* is a hard one to pull off, but if you take the dwarven entity and remove all the biome preferences and settlement biome data, leaving only the start biome, they shouldnt settle any hillocks or forts and effectively be stuck in the single fort created at worldgen start, which means it only takes one disaster or invasion to end the civ. Or make it a cave civ, so they live in a cave and never expand

You can then play as that civ and have all the capacity to conquer other sites, although your civ won't create new hillocks around your fort, you'll have to embark next to and conquer a few hamlets.

These civs often still survive if they're isolated enough or just lucky. But if you make them even weaker by taking away their ability to make certain weapons or armor or materials, you then have to figure out how to acquire them in fort mode.

Oh, and it only works on cave_detailed or cave civs. Cities, dark fortresses and forest retreats still allow the civ to expand.
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« Reply #4903 on: December 23, 2020, 06:25:31 pm »
How make more experiments in world?
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« Reply #4904 on: December 23, 2020, 08:32:29 pm »
Generally more secrets in advanced worldgen (raw-defined are broken for the moment and dont seem to actually do anything during worldgen; very rarely any towers, experiments etc), and forcing every civ with a pantheon religion to have a death sphere god should increase the likelihood of them, along with a 250-300 year history, on a medium sized world, I usually get three or more playable ones.
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