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[Quaksna]

Is it possible to spawn goblins without demon intercession?  What tag controls that?

Well, yes. You could make them spawn naturally and they would exist regardless of civilizations, but if you want to make civ without HFS involved you need to change the site type. Dark fortresses and pits are tied to this, you can't have them without HFS.

[pikachu17]

Someone claimed that megabeasts "are totally harmless to everyone else but your fortress in fortress mode the moment that world-gen ends."
Is this true?

[pisskop]

Someone claimed that megabeasts "are totally harmless to everyone else but your fortress in fortress mode the moment that world-gen ends."
Is this true?

they cannot attack other sites that are not player-observed when the world is not in worldgen.  So yes?

[pikachu17]

Someone claimed that megabeasts "are totally harmless to everyone else but your fortress in fortress mode the moment that world-gen ends."
Is this true?

they cannot attack other sites that are not player-observed when the world is not in worldgen.  So yes?

Huh. Did not know that. Why?

[pisskop]

how would the game simulate the outside world, in all its vastness, while you ran a fort?  The game already has to pause to generate the outside world every year.

[pikachu17]

how would the game simulate the outside world, in all its vastness, while you ran a fort?  The game already has to pause to generate the outside world every year.

But, I know armies will attack each other after world gen. Why would they still attack, but megabeasts not?

[Shonai_Dweller]

how would the game simulate the outside world, in all its vastness, while you ran a fort?  The game already has to pause to generate the outside world every year.

It's kind of the point of turning on the living world back in 2014. Armies are attacking each other, sites are being reclaimed, sites are being founded. The world updates a lot more than once per year.

There are things which don't happen during background worldgen though. Forgotten Beasts for example aren't moving around and attacking other sites as tracking of underground stuff just doesn't work right now (a reason for the upcoming map rewrite ).

Megabeasts are perhaps on hold until then. Werebeasts, titans and merchants are also not moving about the map like regular armies.

Armies, mercenaries, performance troupes, reclaim expeditions, and of course villains are all operating as you play though and populations are being tracked.

You could perhaps ask Toady in fotf if megabeasts are moving about like armies. I think he gave a summary of what's actually being tracked and what "teleports" to your fortress a month or so back.

--edit
Oh, there we go:
Toady:

migrants teleport, diplomats/liaisons teleport, merchant caravans coming to the fort teleport - the oldest calendar events.  Are those the only ones left?  All of the 'heroic' and religious and scholarly professions move as armies do (to the fort and otherwise), as do siegers/thieves now.  Ah, beast attacks (mega/forgotten/etc.) are still world map teleporters -- mainly because the FBs live underground and underground travel is still annoying.

[MaxTheFox]

Is it possible to make subterranean animal-people playable without being outsiders? [ALL_MAIN_POPS_CONTROLLABLE] on their entity doesn't seem to do it.

[pisskop]

They dont have any sites, so you cannot choose to spawn from an anumal person site.  Unless a significant population lives on a surface site.

So not especially.

[Logariter]

What do the [NO_WINTER] tags do to civilised creatures?

[MaxTheFox]

Two more questions.

What makes an underground creature rampage in sites? The normal tags for that don't seem to do it. And plump helmet men have those tags and yet they can civilize.

What makes an underground creature join dwarven/other underground civs? Again, the normal tags don't seem to work.

[Shonai_Dweller]

What makes an underground creature join dwarven/other underground civs? Again, the normal tags don't seem to work.

[Local_pops_produce_heroes].
It's on gorlaks and plump helmet people, plus all the aboveground, non-aquatic animal people.

This causes events during worldgen where local populations of wild animal people, plump helmet men and gorlaks join civs in varying numbers. These events don't happen every time though, and only a handful of groups make it in each world. So it can be hard to test.

It's also hard-coded to ignore some critters even if they have the tag. Aquatic ones I recall Toady mentioning specifically in fotf (as I realized all that testing I'd done to get merpeople to join coastal civs was just wasted time...).

Your large_predator tags (of critter you asked about in the other thread) may be the cause of it not working. Don't think gorlaks and plump helmet people have those. Besides, you don't want playable races with large_predator, it never ends well:

"Hi, what do you think of me?"
"You are a pleasure to speak with. However, you are also a dangerous animal" *draws carving knife

[TomiTapio]

Your large_predator tags (of critter you asked about in the other thread) may be the cause of it not working. Don't think gorlaks and plump helmet people have those. Besides, you don't want playable races with large_predator, it never ends well:

I have yeti (civ joiner) poets with BUILDINGDESTROYER tag. It is fun. Sometimes we whack the yeti poets for being so clumsy.
LARGE_PREDATOR ain't no hindrance.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

   [LARGE_ROAMING][LARGE_PREDATOR]
   [FREQUENCY:8][DIFFICULTY:2]
   
   [POPULATION_NUMBER:1:3]
   [CLUSTER_NUMBER:1:1]
   
   [INTELLIGENT]
   [LOCAL_POPS_PRODUCE_HEROES] --new with 0.42.xx: wild creature can join a civilization.
   
   [BUILDINGDESTROYER:2]
   [LIKES_FIGHTING]
   [NATURAL_SKILL:DISCIPLINE:2] to fix cowardice
   [MEANDERER][PRONE_TO_RAGE:2]
   [FANCIFUL]
   [BONECARN]

[pisskop]

What does prone to rage do exactly?

The wiki didnt specify when the percentage to raqe out rolls.  is it when spotting an enemy, when attacking or being attacked, or each tick or?

[Shonai_Dweller]

Your large_predator tags (of critter you asked about in the other thread) may be the cause of it not working. Don't think gorlaks and plump helmet people have those. Besides, you don't want playable races with large_predator, it never ends well:

I have yeti (civ joiner) poets with BUILDINGDESTROYER tag. It is fun. Sometimes we whack the yeti poets for being so clumsy.
LARGE_PREDATOR ain't no hindrance.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

   [LARGE_ROAMING][LARGE_PREDATOR]
   [FREQUENCY:8][DIFFICULTY:2]
   
   [POPULATION_NUMBER:1:3]
   [CLUSTER_NUMBER:1:1]
   
   [INTELLIGENT]
   [LOCAL_POPS_PRODUCE_HEROES] --new with 0.42.xx: wild creature can join a civilization.
   
   [BUILDINGDESTROYER:2]
   [LIKES_FIGHTING]
   [NATURAL_SKILL:DISCIPLINE:2] to fix cowardice
   [MEANDERER][PRONE_TO_RAGE:2]
   [FANCIFUL]
   [BONECARN]

In Adventurer. It's very much an issue. But apparently not stopping them joining civs, so that's good.
While Building destroyer is annoying in Fortress, but not an issue in Adventurer.