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Author Topic: [MODDING] CREATURE & ENTITY QUESTIONS THREAD  (Read 694507 times)

Mim

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Re: [MODDING] CREATURE & ENTITY QUESTIONS THREAD
« Reply #3870 on: July 23, 2019, 02:19:24 pm »
Alright guys, I've got a problem. My Ents are so weak that in Arena mode they are almost always felled by two or three Hobbits. What is causing this? here are the relevant raws:
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Re: [MODDING] CREATURE & ENTITY QUESTIONS THREAD
« Reply #3871 on: July 23, 2019, 02:58:46 pm »
They are made of WOOD which isn't all that strong of a material actually. You can bypass this limitation by using [GENERAL_MATERIAL_FORCE_MULTIPLIER:1:2] for taking half the force from any attack, you can tweak the numbers until normal attacks stop being too strong, and weapon attacks still do meaningful damage
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« Reply #3872 on: July 23, 2019, 03:48:32 pm »
Quote from: Hugo_The_Dwarf on July 23, 2019, 02:58:46 pm
They are made of WOOD which isn't all that strong of a material actually. You can bypass this limitation by using [GENERAL_MATERIAL_FORCE_MULTIPLIER:1:2] for taking half the force from any attack, you can tweak the numbers until normal attacks stop being too strong, and weapon attacks still do meaningful damage
That is what I suspected. The force multiplier could work, but for a greater degree of realism I would prefer to make a make a new material that simulates live wood, which would be more elastic and tougher than dead wood. Where could I find the material science data for that? ie. yield, strain, that sort of thing. I could also possibly add a new, tougher layer: bark.

Also, Ents are about 14 feet tall. What should their size be?
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« Reply #3873 on: July 23, 2019, 03:50:21 pm »
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« Reply #3874 on: July 23, 2019, 03:50:48 pm »
[Triple post. Also, I figured out the problem: I am pressing "quote" instead of "modify"]
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« Reply #3875 on: July 23, 2019, 04:03:49 pm »
[Wow. Again. Is there a way I can disable quoting myself?]
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Re: [MODDING] CREATURE & ENTITY QUESTIONS THREAD
« Reply #3876 on: July 23, 2019, 04:26:43 pm »
Not sure? Your multi-posting is a new thing to me (other than people doing it on purpose)

Also I'm not a material expert so finding those fancy numbers isn't something I could reliably do.

You are correct that living wood would have better properties than dead wood. But if you have no luck, the multipier(divider used in the example) would emulate that it's tougher than normal wood while being that wood.

a 5-6ft human in vanilla is 70k, so probably scaled up to 7ft would be 85-90k  so an Ent would maybe be 180k possibly 200k (because not a complete humanoid shape, there are still branches and that.
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« Reply #3877 on: July 23, 2019, 04:43:38 pm »
I made an ent creature for lolmod some time ago. Well, Enemy Post and I, my initial treant raws were way too buggy and had the same flimsiness issues as yours have. Enemy Post fixed that issue by adding extra layers, as single-layer creatures apparently are inherently weak. Feel free to take a look at the raws for inspiration, they should be in the latest lolmod download.
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« Reply #3878 on: July 23, 2019, 05:21:34 pm »
I used bark skin and wood core + muscle. I actually made a new wood an bark material, and increased the strain_at_yield on all it's properties to be closer to normal skin, per a suggestion someone offered on the forums here. Can't remember where.

Basically that makes it bruise and tear instead of fracturing like wood usually does, which means limbs don't immediately get severed by kicks and punches. Combined with the woods higher material strengths it makes them pretty tough, almost invulnerable to unarmed melee combat against small creatures, but still easily dismembered with weapons.
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« Reply #3879 on: July 24, 2019, 01:39:23 am »
a 250 kilogram Ent sounds pretty small, half a horse size. Maybe they could be 3000 kg? Give them some fighting(immediate counterattack or parry or interrupt) skill.

Here's Deon & myself's young ent, small on purpose to make it NOT A METALPLATED DRAGON:
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Re: [MODDING] CREATURE & ENTITY QUESTIONS THREAD
« Reply #3880 on: July 24, 2019, 12:30:55 pm »
@Eric Blank and @voliol

Can you post the raws for your Ents, or their location?
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« Reply #3881 on: July 24, 2019, 03:18:32 pm »
Quote from: Mim on July 24, 2019, 12:30:55 pm
@Eric Blank and @voliol

Can you post the raws for your Ents, or their location?

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Re: [MODDING] CREATURE & ENTITY QUESTIONS THREAD
« Reply #3882 on: July 24, 2019, 06:41:55 pm »
Quote from: Mim on July 24, 2019, 12:30:55 pm
@Eric Blank and @voliol

Can you post the raws for your Ents, or their location?

The ents I never updated to use these materials I just realized, but I did use them in Komeng:
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Pretty sure that's it. Komeng are kinda like an ent, I guess? They're made of wood with stone bones and ceramic armored plates.

This would be my actual ent creature updated to use the new mats from above:
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Quote from: Andreus on June 09, 2011, 02:07:07 pm
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« Reply #3883 on: July 25, 2019, 01:02:38 pm »
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I don't think we're allowed to post that stuff, the last guy who hosted such a mod on the dffd had it taken down and was warned they'd be banned if they did it again iirc. Even the succubus mod doesn't include tiddies.

But are geldables whose location, form and implied function ("psychic sporesacks" located in the spine for enabling fireball interactions) have very little in common with earthly animals okay? This is important.
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« Reply #3884 on: July 26, 2019, 01:05:47 am »
That seems fine. Weird way to do requires_bp for a cdi but certainly shouldn't count as inappropriate genitalia modding.

Cast fireballs with their psychic spine spore-balls... That's just weird.
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Quote from: Andreus on June 09, 2011, 02:07:07 pm
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