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[Wannabehero]

How can I attack with a TAIL_STINGER?

I tried copying the bite attack, but got the following error:

*** Error(s) found in the file "raw/objects/creature_hordes_blood.txt"
hordes_BLOOD_RIPPER:Attack BITE seems to have correct format but could not find proper BPs in any caste, so not added

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[BODY:QUADRUPED_NECK:TAIL:2WINGS:TAIL_STINGER:2HEAD_HORN:2EYES:2EARS:NOSE:2LUNGS:HEART:GUTS:ORGANS:THROAT:NECK:SPINE:BRAIN:SKULL:5TOES_FQ_FINGERS:5TOES_RQ_ANON:MOUTH:TONGUE:GENERIC_TEETH_WITH_LARGE_EYE_TEETH:RIBCAGE]

   [ATTACK:BITE:CHILD_BODYPART_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:TAIL:BY_CATEGORY:TAIL_STINGER]
      [ATTACK_SKILL:BITE]
      [ATTACK_VERB:sting:stings]
      [ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
      [ATTACK_PENETRATION_PERC:100]
      [ATTACK_FLAG_EDGE]
      [ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER:3:3]
      [ATTACK_PRIORITY:SECOND]
      [ATTACK_FLAG_CANLATCH]
      [SPECIALATTACK_INJECT_EXTRACT:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:VENOM:LIQUID:100:100]

The error message is giving you a huge clue as to the problem:

"Attack BITE seems to have correct format but could not find proper BPs in any caste, so not added"

It can't find the proper body parts, which means your attack definition line is calling out a bad combination of body parts.  Like Putnam suggested, base it off a punch or kick type attack, which have a much more simple structure.  Something like:

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[ATTACK:STING:BODYPART:BY_CATEGORY:TAIL_STINGER]
should work. Then add the rest of your attack tags (skill, contact, flag_edge, inject_extract, etc).

[brolol.404]

Thanks I'll test it out

[brolol.404]

Why do kobolds have [ANIMAL_FORBIDDEN_CLASS:MAMMAL]? Would removing this do anything?

Edit: same question about [ANIMAL_NEVER_MOUNT]?

[ZM5]

IIRC it means they wont have pets with the POISONOUS creature class that also have the MAMMAL creature class. The latter means they wont use any of the pets as mounts, even if the creature normally does have a mount token.

[brolol.404]

IIRC it means they wont have pets with the POISONOUS creature class that also have the MAMMAL creature class. The latter means they wont use any of the pets as mounts, even if the creature normally does have a mount token.

I guess what I am asking is: are there currently any creatures in game with the POISONOUS creature class and the MAMMAL creature class? Do any POISONOUS creature class creatures have the MOUNT tag? If not, I assume that removing these wouldn't do anything. And if that is the case, does anyone know why they are there?

I ask because I am thinking about removing them for a mod.

[FantasticDorf]

IIRC it means they wont have pets with the POISONOUS creature class that also have the MAMMAL creature class. The latter means they wont use any of the pets as mounts, even if the creature normally does have a mount token.

I guess what I am asking is: are there currently any creatures in game with the POISONOUS creature class and the MAMMAL creature class? Do any POISONOUS creature class creatures have the MOUNT tag? If not, I assume that removing these wouldn't do anything. And if that is the case, does anyone know why they are there?

I ask because I am thinking about removing them for a mod.

You can remove them autonomously using creature variation templates for derived creatures like adder people etc which also have the POISONOUS class or add new ones in, you might still have to hunt down individual creatures in file though. I did a complete clean out of elves and this is what i got.

Spoiler: "Creature Convsersion Modifications" (click to show/hide)

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[CREATURE_VARIATION:ANIMAL_PERSON]
// convert tags for demonstration purposes, its best to leave ANIMAL_PERSON as intact as possible for ease of use
[CV_CONVERT_TAG]
[CVCT_MASTER:ANIMAL_CLASS]
[CVCT_TARGET:MAMMAL]
[CVCT_REPLACEMENT:ANIMAL_PERSON] // <- Relevant to making animalpeople exclusive, so mammalian animal people themselves are not used
[CV_CONVERT_TAG]
[CVCT_MASTER:ANIMAL_CLASS]
[CVCT_TARGET:REPTILE]
[CVCT_REPLACEMENT:ANIMAL_PERSON]
[CV_CONVERT_TAG]
[CVCT_MASTER:ANIMAL_CLASS]
[CVCT_TARGET:POISONOUS]
[CVCT_REPLACEMENT:ANIMAL_PERSON]

Spoiler: "Clean Elf Entity Animal Code" (click to show/hide)

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[ANIMAL]
                [ANIMAL_CLASS:GOOD_PET]
[ANIMAL_CLASS:MAMMAL]
[ANIMAL_FORBIDDEN_CLASS:EVIL_PET]
[ANIMAL_FORBIDDEN_CLASS:ANIMAL_PERSON]
[ANIMAL_FORBIDDEN_CLASS:INSECT]
                [ANIMAL_ALWAYS_MOUNT]
                [ANIMAL_NEVER_WAGON_PULLER]
                [ANIMAL_ALWAYS_SIEGE]
                [ANIMAL_ALWAYS_PET]
                [ANIMAL_ALWAYS_PACK_ANIMAL]
[ANIMAL]
[ANIMAL_CLASS:REPTILE]
[ANIMAL_CLASS:POISONOUS]
[ANIMAL_NEVER_MOUNT]
[ANIMAL_ALWAYS_PET]
[ANIMAL_NEVER_PACK_ANIMAL]
[ANIMAL_ALWAYS_SIEGE]
[ANIMAL_NEVER_WAGON_PULLER]

I had to go through my file and allocate [REPTILE] (doesn't exist on file) and [INSECT] (ditto to former) manually like i said, and good/evil classes were ones also of my own making to flesh out other civs but now elves only bring mammals as primary and reptiles as secondary creatures and im really happy with the result (apart from places i occasionally missed)

A more on-topic shorthand explanation since i realise i went a bit over the top is that you can per civ disable the use of a function like mount without removing it at the creature level with ANIMAL -> Arguement [CREATURE_CLASS] or [CREATURE_TOKEN:*animal*] -> [CREATURE_NEVER_MOUNT]

For my elf example, i could in theory have cave crocodiles, or surface alligators, but elves would never ride them because the civ ANIMAL tokens forbid them to.

[DerMeister]

Why do kobolds have [ANIMAL_FORBIDDEN_CLASS:MAMMAL]? Would removing this do anything?

Edit: same question about [ANIMAL_NEVER_MOUNT]?

Kobolds are reptiles, they not understand milk and cannot tame mammal.

[Wannabehero]

I guess what I am asking is: are there currently any creatures in game with the POISONOUS creature class and the MAMMAL creature class? ...

IIRC, the only vanilla POISONOUS & MAMMAL creature is the platypus.

[DerMeister]

If creature lay unusual eggs, it will breed?

[brolol.404]

I will leave kobolds alone then so I dont get war platypus lol

So, if I understand correctly, you can modify and remove entity tokens from a creature variations using these?

[CVCT_MASTER:ANIMAL_CLASS]
[CVCT_TARGET:REPTILE]
[CVCT_REPLACEMENT

[DerMeister]

What if add more types of coins (platinum, lead)? What if make different coins for different civs (dwarves with aluminium and adamantine, elves with only wood coins, kobolds and/or animalmen with pearl, shell and ivory coins etc).

[DerMeister]

What if make civ with forest retrat sites and underground biome? Will they live on undreground trees? Will this trees shaped like in elven site?

[FantasticDorf]

What if make civ with forest retrat sites and underground biome? Will they live on undreground trees? Will this trees shaped like in elven site?

There are no underground civilizations besides the tribals, and they do not live in real settlement. Underground places is a development goal for the future but not immediately any time soon.

They'll not spawn or/and cause a error because its not a real biome for the entity.txt

[DerMeister]

How make reaction of make bone porridge and vermin bread? I want remake habits for civs and make remains useful. 

[FantasticDorf]

How make reaction of make bone porridge and vermin bread? I want remake habits for civs and make remains useful.

You can only really "pretend" to make food out of bones and vermin using the ways we already have of perhaps making a foodstuff in a reaction , 'habits' (the coded nightbeast behaviours) can't be picked up by civilized people as they are megabeast/night-creature lair only activities.