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[CodexDraco]

No one yet has mentioned the limiting factor that I hinted at. A hint: it turns out that strange moods are one stopper to a fort living forever.
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You are right we haven't discussed strange moods, except for the whole previous page!

Yes, but it's one specific thing from strange moods that limits the fortress, and no one has mentioned that specific thing.

Bones? Gems? Stone? I can't think of anything you can't get on embark or in most embark sites unless you go to a specially challenging biome, and you could still get everything from trade anyway. And in any event, the number of moods are limited (I think) and the occasional failed mood won't impact much with propped planning.

If player intervention is allowed, then this is already solved on page 1.

Actually, no; a fort may be able to exist for a long time, but without modding d_init and init.txt, it cannot stay around forever, excluding the immortal undead.
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Nothing last forever, the universe will eventually suffer a cold, slow dead, but I'm sure a fort can be kept for as long someone care to keep it alive, even with default settings.

[uncool]

No one yet has mentioned the limiting factor that I hinted at. A hint: it turns out that strange moods are one stopper to a fort living forever.
=Uncool-

You are right we haven't discussed strange moods, except for the whole previous page!

Yes, but it's one specific thing from strange moods that limits the fortress, and no one has mentioned that specific thing.

Bones? Gems? Stone? I can't think of anything you can't get on embark or in most embark sites unless you go to a specially challenging biome, and you could still get everything from trade anyway. And in any event, the number of moods are limited (I think) and the occasional failed mood won't impact much with propped planning.

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Uncut gems. You can't trade for them, and there are only so many on any embark. No matter what you do, the uncut gems will eventually run out, and after that, all moods requiring them (and most do) are going to fail.

Hrm. I guess technically, you could go with always adding more dwarves than can be removed by failed moods. Would need some number of dwarves to keep arriving though. I guess children might allow it.
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[Corai]

Wait, you cant trade for uncut gems? Is this new? And when did moods all the sudden require UNCUT gems?

[Leafsnail]

Does raw glass count as an uncut gem for mood purposes?

[uncool]

Wait, you cant trade for uncut gems? Is this new? And when did moods all the sudden require UNCUT gems?

This isn't new; it's been that way since I can remember (v31.0something). Moods don't all require them, but most of them do require at least one, from what I've seen - a lot of moods require 7-10 items.
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[uncool]

Does raw glass count as an uncut gem for mood purposes?

No. Moods specifically ask for types of glass, or for gems, and don't take one for the other.
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[IT 000]

For the record, if you keep your population below 20, you'll never have a mood.

So we don't need to make a perpetual goods creating machine, we need to create a perpetual killing machine, something we here at bay12 should be good at already.

[Corai]

For the record, if you keep your population below 20, you'll never have a mood.

So we don't need to make a perpetual goods creating machine, we need to create a perpetual killing machine, something we here at bay12 should be good at already.

But you still get migrants, who come from random directions. What are we gonna do? Make the surface = magma?

[uncool]

One thing I do have to wonder about for this: how many dwarves are required to prevent inbreeding problems? Is 19 enough? Iirc the usual biological requirements are 50 short term/500 long term, but I don't know if Toady simulates inbreeding that well.
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[uncool]

For the record, if you keep your population below 20, you'll never have a mood.

So we don't need to make a perpetual goods creating machine, we need to create a perpetual killing machine, something we here at bay12 should be good at already.

But you still get migrants, who come from random directions. What are we gonna do? Make the surface = magma?

My solution was to edit d_init to leave a max population; another solution (as was pointed out by Asra) is to put statues or some other impassable building everywhere on the edge, although that will remove all trading.
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[Corai]

For the record, if you keep your population below 20, you'll never have a mood.

So we don't need to make a perpetual goods creating machine, we need to create a perpetual killing machine, something we here at bay12 should be good at already.

But you still get migrants, who come from random directions. What are we gonna do? Make the surface = magma?

My solution was to edit d_init to leave a max population; another solution (as was pointed out by Asra) is to put statues or some other impassable building everywhere on the edge, although that will remove all trading.
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They still survive though, they just stand there. But that still gives them the mood = On.

[CodexDraco]

Well, if we are going to the trouble of editing d_init, we can set ARTIFACTS:NO. Problem solved.

[Lagslayer]

You can also remove the trance tag from the dwarves. This controls martial trances as well as strange moods.

That being said, is it possible for a vermin to damage a dwarf? Everything else could theoretically be walled off.

[Leafsnail]

We don't want to wall ourselves off though, because you need the caravan for other moods (eventually).

[Lagslayer]

Barring walling up a vampire indefinitely, there is always a way for the RNG to kill you. Even vermin can cause unhappy thoughts.