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Sabreur

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Re: Caged Enemies
« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2012, 08:30:17 pm »

...Can dwarves admire creatures through glass walls, or would they have to be glass fortifications?

Oh, I forgot to mention this, but I think your dwarves have to pass directly adjacent to the cage/terrarium in order to admire the creature.  So even if they can see the creature (through a glass window, for example), they can't admire it and get the happy thought unless they're standing right next to it.

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« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2012, 10:44:41 pm »

What he said.  Also, the reason dragging a captive around is a problem is that civilians can get scared and run away - even if they're the ones responsible for transporting the captive.  This results in a goblin loose in your fortress, which causes additional problems.

This is FALSE. I had two dwarves, one right behind the other, each dragging a troll across an open space. Each one could certainly see the other and the troll. Civilians that approached them scampered in terror, yes, but they successfully waddled over to the pit and threw them in (approx 30 squares away). They were not in cages.
Dwarves dragging monsters will not be scared of monsters being dragged.

I haven't had a seige or captured enemies yet in 43.09, so I can't confirm if this is still the case.

FYI: I play Masterwork atm, but the troll scenario above was in vanilla. Yes, I still use the mass pitting method from the wiki, simply because it's quicker than dragging enemies through your fort freaking out civvies.
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« Reply #17 on: May 20, 2012, 02:55:00 am »

Everyone forgot to mention you can undress and disarm prisoners by doing d-b-d, d-b-c over a constructed cage.  This makes sure they don't immediately proceed to kill your dwarves.

Also thieves will break out of captivity
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« Reply #18 on: May 20, 2012, 03:21:29 am »

One idea that comes to mind for my dream fortress: Build a road dotted with clear glass terrariums to display any fantastic creatures I manage to cage. If my favorite dwarf has a preference for a creature, build a terrarium for it in his room.
Now that you mention it, surrounding my nobles' rooms with trapped hostiles in windowed oubliettes sounds kind of amusing.
"Oh, hello Snobub, enjoying your eternity in a glass box there?" >:D
They'd have to remain caged in order not to spook the dorfs though, right?

Glass windows: transparent
Also breakable, so watch out for building destroyers there.
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« Reply #19 on: May 20, 2012, 07:05:46 am »

My first mass pitting room, I started getting ugly fps from the 140 gobbos milling around down there. So I set it to a pond, the dwarves started filling the room... One. Bucket. At. A. Time.

Mwahahahaha.
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« Reply #20 on: May 20, 2012, 07:22:01 am »

My first mass pitting room, I started getting ugly fps from the 140 gobbos milling around down there. So I set it to a pond, the dwarves started filling the room... One. Bucket. At. A. Time.

Mwahahahaha.

Multiple 1x1 pond zones = fire brigade

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« Reply #21 on: May 20, 2012, 11:01:08 am »

My first mass pitting room, I started getting ugly fps from the 140 gobbos milling around down there. So I set it to a pond, the dwarves started filling the room... One. Bucket. At. A. Time.

Mwahahahaha.

Multiple 1x1 pond zones = fire brigade

... Well, ya, actually just one bucket like that would have evaporated quickly, creative license :p
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« Reply #22 on: May 20, 2012, 11:13:53 am »

Glass windows: transparent
Also breakable, so watch out for building destroyers there.
Aye, what I do is surround the windows with glass fortifications from the outside. Both should allow line of sight but the building destroyers won't bust up your fortifications. Think of it as reinforced glass!
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« Reply #23 on: May 20, 2012, 01:36:51 pm »


This is FALSE. I had two dwarves, one right behind the other, each dragging a troll across an open space. Each one could certainly see the other and the troll. Civilians that approached them scampered in terror, yes, but they successfully waddled over to the pit and threw them in (approx 30 squares away). They were not in cages.
Dwarves dragging monsters will not be scared of monsters being dragged.

I haven't had a seige or captured enemies yet in 43.09, so I can't confirm if this is still the case.

FYI: I play Masterwork atm, but the troll scenario above was in vanilla. Yes, I still use the mass pitting method from the wiki, simply because it's quicker than dragging enemies through your fort freaking out civvies.

Dwarves USED to freak out about wild animals and certain enemies then panic mid haul and let them run amok the new version has fixed this.

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« Reply #24 on: May 20, 2012, 02:28:25 pm »

.07 and before or .09?
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« Reply #25 on: May 20, 2012, 03:58:27 pm »

.07 and before or .09?

I mean the new version as in .34 not just the new release. The idea that animals and certain prisoners go apeshit all over the place if you tried to move them was pretty deep in the collective conciousness, I actually realized this was no longer true when someone mentioned it by chance.
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