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Krantz86

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so wheelbarrows? what do you think
« on: May 18, 2012, 05:54:14 am »

i think that wheelbarrows are useful but... i get angry when a dwarf use it to carry a single sock leaving a whole room full of clothes
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Re: so wheelbarrows? what do you think
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2012, 06:49:39 am »

Yeah, they're cool... but I've never seen a dorf use them to carry more than one thing at a time.  Ever.  If they could do that (or if bins did that) then they'd be awesome enough to use everywhere instead of just on the stone/animal stockpiles.
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« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2012, 07:58:08 am »

I think having only 3 used per stock pile is pretty ridiculous.

Huge food stockpiles don't matter that much, but huge stone stockpiles? It takes forever to move a single bit of rock now without a wheelbarrow and for a huge 100x100 stockpile, 3 wheelbarrows doesn't cut it.
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Re: so wheelbarrows? what do you think
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2012, 08:00:51 am »

Wait, can you assign wheelbarrows to stockpiles?
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Re: so wheelbarrows? what do you think
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2012, 08:03:27 am »

I think having only 3 used per stock pile is pretty ridiculous.

Huge food stockpiles don't matter that much, but huge stone stockpiles? It takes forever to move a single bit of rock now without a wheelbarrow and for a huge 100x100 stockpile, 3 wheelbarrows doesn't cut it.
This is solved by having several small stockpiles, like 100 10*10 stockpiles. It is no major issue.
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Re: so wheelbarrows? what do you think
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2012, 08:03:48 am »

I think having only 3 used per stock pile is pretty ridiculous.

Huge food stockpiles don't matter that much, but huge stone stockpiles? It takes forever to move a single bit of rock now without a wheelbarrow and for a huge 100x100 stockpile, 3 wheelbarrows doesn't cut it.
Couldn't you break the 100x100 stockpile into a bunch of 10x10 stockpiles and assign more? I know its a workaround but it would work right?
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Re: so wheelbarrows? what do you think
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2012, 08:04:23 am »

I cut up my huge stockpiles to a lot of smaller ones. Always have, actually. This is because only one hauling job can be done per stockpile, so it's better to have 4 25x25 stockpiles than one 100x100 stockpile because that way 4 haulers can get shit done. Apply that to wheelbarrows and you get 3*4=12 wheelbarrows for what's essentially the same 100x100 stockpile.
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Re: so wheelbarrows? what do you think
« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2012, 08:06:53 am »

I think having only 3 used per stock pile is pretty ridiculous.

Huge food stockpiles don't matter that much, but huge stone stockpiles? It takes forever to move a single bit of rock now without a wheelbarrow and for a huge 100x100 stockpile, 3 wheelbarrows doesn't cut it.
Couldn't you break the 100x100 stockpile into a bunch of 10x10 stockpiles and assign more? I know its a workaround but it would work right?

I suppose so, but isn't the point of the new hauling stuff to take the tedium out of hauling goods? That just seems like an awful lot of extra work when it would be far simpler to just not have a hard limit of wheelbarrows used for the stock pile. I think the limit should be how many wheelbarrows your fort has access to, instead.
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Re: so wheelbarrows? what do you think
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2012, 08:10:42 am »

Personally I have 4 large stockpile areas at the mines. One for flux, one for usable stone (stone without funny colors), one for decorative stone (funny-colored stone), and one for ore. Then I have those linked to small stockpiles at my fort...

The usable stone stockpiles link to my current construction zone, which is a 5x5 stockpile which takes only from the useful stone stockpile. The mason's shop is linked to that stockpile for making blocks.
The decorative stone stockpiles link to my stone crafting room, which is also 5x5 and links to my workshops which make stone crafts.
The flux and ore stockpiles link to input stockpiles at my smelter, which are each 4x4 and are linked to the smelters. Also nearby is a fuel stockpile which takes charcoal/coal/etc.

In this way, only a small amount of stone is actually kept in my fort for use at any time, and the only time they wheelbarrel anything out to the fort is when one item in the small stockpiles is used.
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« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2012, 10:20:51 am »

One item at a time is what I've seen, as well. I only use them for stone and ores, the things they take forever hauling... Not socks :p

Without a wheelbarrow, they use bins to vacuum up goblinite, I think.

Loving the mental image of a dorf wheeling a boulder up a stairwell, by the way. As if it wasn't a ridiculous enough image of them carrying it up one :p
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Re: so wheelbarrows? what do you think
« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2012, 10:40:55 am »

Yup. If they could carry more than one thing they'd be great, but as is they're only really good for stone. In fact, they're -less- good than just having dwarves take bins out in most cases.
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« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2012, 11:43:25 am »

I saw a dwarf carrying (that is, not pushing) a wheelbarrow and going really slow. I thought, man, that must be a heavy wheelbarrow. NOPE! There was a chalk boulder in the (carried) wheelbarrow
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Re: so wheelbarrows? what do you think
« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2012, 11:47:50 am »

I saw a dwarf carrying (that is, not pushing) a wheelbarrow and going really slow. I thought, man, that must be a heavy wheelbarrow. NOPE! There was a chalk boulder in the (carried) wheelbarrow

I'm imagining a really really bad mayor mandating that all stone now be hauled in wheelbarrows, so the dwarves just shrug and carry the stone and the wheelbarrow on their heads and continue right along wondering why the mayor is so stupid.
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« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2012, 12:38:07 pm »

Loving the mental image of a dorf wheeling a boulder up a stairwell, by the way. As if it wasn't a ridiculous enough image of them carrying it up one :p

Not as ridiculous as you think, if the stairs  are designed for it.
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Re: so wheelbarrows? what do you think
« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2012, 12:53:20 pm »

Loving the mental image of a dorf wheeling a boulder up a stairwell, by the way. As if it wasn't a ridiculous enough image of them carrying it up one :p

Not as ridiculous as you think, if the stairs  are designed for it.

Ya, I've seen those. I've used em, in fact. I was imagining more of a short narrow series of flights like you would imagine in a small underground space :p
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