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Duuvian

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The possibility of a new war for everyone
« on: May 17, 2012, 12:47:26 pm »

Political gain for the ruling coalition

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Also if I remember correctly the compromise that led to the coalition allows ultra Orthodox Jewish people to be exempt from the otherwise mandatory national draft. After all, just because you are a driving force for war doesn't mean your sons ought to fight it apparently. There are people you don't agree with and political opposition you can force to fight by making laws such as this one.

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Remember, fighting Iran = fighting Russia in their proxy as far as foreign policy goes. To assume that Russia wouldn't at the very least ship arms to Iran when they do so now is naive; especially with their willingness to ship arms to countries failing to put down popular protests on their own. To underestimate the influence of Gazprom profits on Russian foreign policy is foolish.

Speaking of energy concerns the following spoiler is: From inforwars

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A question might be why now? Here is the answer:

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Thanks, loyal patriots of AIPAC!

Anyone remember this? Iran 'Green' Revolution attemp You know, that thing that was ignored by seemingly every politician that mattered, that if supported would have prevented this. Too bad politicians thought they could take personal advantage if they ignored it. I guess it would be unfair to the Israelis to risk denying their ability to threaten America with the possibility of world war in order to influence an American Presidential election, obtain foreign aid and if the Yankees are gullible enough maybe do a little conquering and occupation of the Israeli's very own (if Russia is cowed away from providing open military support and instead decides to only make the internationally standard profit from selling war material to both sides.)
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Re: The possibility of a new war for everyone
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2012, 12:52:19 pm »

Little unfair on the Green Revolution criticism. Having a hands-off policy was the better move, because blatant Western support undermines the domestic credibility of the movement within Iran. It's easy to agree with the government that the opposition are "puppets of the West" if...y'know, they're getting money and supplies and diplomatic backing from the West.

But other than that....yeah, is worrying. And I think the bit about the timing is spot-on. It's political suicide to say "Screw Israel, they're on their own" six months before a national election. If it was mid-November 2012, and Obama had already secured re-election, he wouldn't have nearly as much to lose.
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Re: The possibility of a new war for everyone
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2012, 12:53:30 pm »

I thought we had always been at war with Eurasia ???
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Re: The possibility of a new war for everyone
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2012, 01:05:44 pm »

Even if Israel did bomb Iran it would hardly leave to a world war.  They share no border and Iraq wouldn't side with either side.  And both Russia and America would have tons of reasons not to intervene and very little to lose by staying out.  Plus Iran is not a Russian proxy.  The cold war ended decades ago.
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Re: The possibility of a new war for everyone
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2012, 01:45:48 pm »

So nothing has changed at all :|

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Re: The possibility of a new war for everyone
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2012, 01:54:59 pm »

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Re: The possibility of a new war for everyone
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2012, 02:56:05 pm »

War. War never changes.
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Re: The possibility of a new war for everyone
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2012, 04:36:10 pm »

Don't use infowars as a source. Ever. It's a conspiracy theory website and makes The Daily Mail look like the BBC.
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Re: The possibility of a new war for everyone
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2012, 04:39:07 pm »

Don't use infowars as a source. Ever. It's a conspiracy theory website and makes The Daily Mail look like the BBC.
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Re: The possibility of a new war for everyone
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2012, 04:48:26 pm »

Don't use infowars as a source. Ever. It's a conspiracy theory website and makes The Daily Mail look like the BBC.
I have no idea what you're talking about.
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Re: The possibility of a new war for everyone
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2012, 04:56:38 pm »

Don't use infowars as a source. Ever. It's a conspiracy theory website and makes The Daily Mail look like the BBC.
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But really, if this leads to WW3 I'll be pissed that we got forced into allying with them for the sake of the rapture happening properly.
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Re: The possibility of a new war for everyone
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2012, 05:47:55 pm »

But, the question is: Will the war end because it's 21/12/12, or will it end because people think it's going to end?
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Re: The possibility of a new war for everyone
« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2012, 06:32:22 pm »

My money is that it's just an internal roundup for posturing before the big NATO summit on Sunday.  Netanyahu wants to prove to his government and Iran that Israel can (still) lead America by the nose when he wants to, and needs a little tuttering to make it happen.

Or God forbid, he's planning an airstrike some time before the fall, as a couple Pentagon people have been whispering.  I have to wonder what he would think he'd accomplish.
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Re: The possibility of a new war for everyone
« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2012, 07:43:34 pm »

I highly doubt we'll see a world war out of this, let alone a regional conflict. The UN would jump all over that shit with some resolutions, America would wave its' dick aircraft carriers around and Iran would STFU because there is no way Russia would back them in a war with the USA. Russia didn't even openly back people in the cold war.

What I would be more worried about is China.
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Re: The possibility of a new war for everyone
« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2012, 08:54:06 pm »

Don't use infowars as a source. Ever. It's a conspiracy theory website and makes The Daily Mail look like the BBC.
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Precisely. It's also the origin of the 'FEMA death camp' conspiracy theory IIRC, among numerous others.
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