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WillowLuman

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Re: If Bay Forum were a Mountain Hall, continued...
« Reply #2400 on: June 11, 2012, 08:23:37 pm »

"Wait, before you go, just promise me one thing. No more 'Out of State' visits from anyone until this whole plague thing is dealt with. Got it? Make sure nothing from outside our dimension shows up back home. We really can't afford the risk."
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Re: If Bay Forum were a Mountain Hall, continued...
« Reply #2401 on: June 11, 2012, 09:04:05 pm »


Invincible - I'm going to have myself die soon.
Omnipotent - I am limited, it is just that low amounts of mana are required for what I am doing.
Omniscient - I don't know who is behind sending us here, though I do have my suspicions.
Omnipresent - You people kept assuming that you were talking to me, but I kept correcting you.  It was the network, not me.  And that has been shut down.
Dragons with magic cards and mana tissue layers - THOSE ARE ONLY FOR PLANESWALKERS!  DRAGONS CANNOT USE THEM UNLESS THEY ARE PLANESWALKERS!  NONE OF THE DRAGONS ARE PLANESWALKERS, EXCEPT FOR HUGO!  MANA IS A FORCE PRESENT IN LAND, NOT TISSUE LAYERS!  GET IT RIGHT!

[It was a joke, don't explode before anyone pulls the pin or you'd make for a bad hand grenade. I was also talking exclusively about the dragons. And you really had made it seem like they were entirely unstoppable. And how could the general know ANYTHING about our current defense setup with the network having collapsed weeks ago when virtually everything has changed since then, the thief party only made it to the gates, and you haven't really had the chance to go tell them every little detail in the meantime? Must be omniscient, or just so stupid he thinks he is, but you insisted he knew everything but stated "nothing," which was a pretty blatant lie.

Also, I suggested mana as a tissue layer becuase 1) You can't mod the ambient environment like the atmosphere and it's contents currently so that didn't come to mind whilst and I was joking about how you modded it all in, and 2) It is specific to an individual organism. If you modded it in as a tissue layer, it would be an easy way to put a value on an individual's mana capacity, by using it's thickness. If it had the THICKENS_ON_ENERGY_STORAGE tag it would mean they'd also be ridiculously fat  (green mana:11,000,000,000, blue mana:"unknown", white mana:"unknown but presumably makes you about as volumous as the moon") but permit them to gain extra mana reserves over their lifetime,but unfortunately only through eating. It would also let opponents "stab them in the upper body, tearing the heart's muscle and tearing the heart's green mana. An artery has been torn" but that would be hilarious so who cares. Getting an interaction to call upon a tissue layer as a reagent and damage that tissue layer in the process, which simulates drain for casting a spell, isn't something currently possible, but then again we're talking about version 1.0, so maybe tissue layers can act as reagents in interactions/reactions and interactions can have reagents at this point.]

After about 20 minutes, Eric had enough stone built up into a wall on the far side of the dining hall for the dwarves to enchant it, making it nigh-invincible. He had another section in the works as well, but he was internally distracted by his RAW plans for a giant flying cat that shoots lightning from it's eyes and propelled itself like a rocket with farts it releasesd when squeezed, and so wasn't working quite as fast. Then he wanted to design a collosus of giant-cat-hugging, because everyone knows that cats ALWAYS fart when go to you hug them, then look at you smuggly. The difference was these ones would give you that smug look, then launch like an F-18 from the hangar in the side of the mountain and begin tazing invaders for half an hour before returning to refuel on elk birds. Take THAT gobbos.

[Please stop using "get off".. it has.....connotations.... pleasue use "go offline" instead. Thanks. :D]

[Hugo: sorry about that... but my dirty mind keeps seeing horrible unbidden images when zanz uses literary faux-pas like that.]

[Aw, crap. Now I'm gonna be thinking about this whenever someone says something stupid. Hmm, maybe I should stop talking...]
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Re: If Bay Forum were a Mountain Hall, continued...
« Reply #2402 on: June 11, 2012, 09:20:33 pm »

[Ok... now.. imagine him getting off.... for 16 hours. Kid's got stamina! Oh gawd.. I need brain bleach.]
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Re: If Bay Forum were a Mountain Hall, continued...
« Reply #2403 on: June 11, 2012, 09:28:56 pm »

[Dwarves don't need to enchant their walls to be indestructible. They just make them a whole meter thick :D. Dwarven-run towns in adventure mode can still have ruined buildings, after all. Takes a megabeast to smash an entire meter of well-built stone wall.]
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Re: If Bay Forum were a Mountain Hall, continued...
« Reply #2404 on: June 11, 2012, 09:35:38 pm »

[Googled bukake to see what Weird was talking about. Wish I could un-google it.]
[MrHappyFace: Again, giant robots should take longer to design and construct. Literally like 30 minutes have gone by in the story since you started building it. Only a machine designed expressly for mass-assembling advanced technology like that can work so fast. Just saying]


Huh. I'm finding it kind of difficult to judge time in this story, sorry. The materials are already prepared before hand, and the dwarf in charge of production is 7 legendary dwarves working as one if that's any consolation. It's kind of weird how a legendary+5 armorsmith can make masterwork steel gauntlets at a rate faster than it takes to procure the materials.
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Re: If Bay Forum were a Mountain Hall, continued...
« Reply #2405 on: June 11, 2012, 09:57:58 pm »

Not really...

We assume the armorsmith is working with bars.

Smelting the bars from ore takes more care, especially if you care about the purity of the produced metal.  No two samples of ore are compositionally the same, so to smelt it and remove impurities, the process is quite involved, especially for iron and steel.

Take for instance, the bessemer process.

You take crappy iron ore. You heat it up in a crucible with carbon until the carbon burns out, then scrape the slag off and discard.  You now have yucky pig iron.

You take the yucky impurity laden pig iron, pop it into a special crucible made of a highly refractory material (like kitty litter, or kaolinite) with powdered lime, heat it up until it melts, then pump hot air through it under pressure.  This oxidizes all the impurities in the molten iron, driving it off as gas, or making form a thick scum on top of the iron.

This scum is then scraped off, the iron is removed from the bessemer reactor, and a measured amount of high quality carbon and other tempering metals are added.

You now have steel.

It takes time to produce the pig iron from the crude ore. It takes time for the poured iron ingots to coool. It takes time for the bessemer reactor to be filled. It takes time to kiln the lime. It takes time to purify the coke. It takes time for the reactor to heat up. It takes time for the hot air reaction to complete. And again, it takes time for the steel ingots to cool.

The time to melt and cast steel parts after all the ore processing is miniscule.
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Re: If Bay Forum were a Mountain Hall, continued...
« Reply #2406 on: June 11, 2012, 11:05:39 pm »

[Well, dwarves likely don't form masterwork molds to cast the product, but beat a hot bar with a hammer until it looks about right, so it probably takes them a little more time to do that. A legendary anything does anything else fast, though. :P]

[And did I mention how we're are going to skin your ass alive when we find out what you did to those dwarves? Stuffed seven souls in a single body? Torture. Dwarves don't sit well with torture. Not to mention the abomination-factor. That's just horrifying.]
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Re: If Bay Forum were a Mountain Hall, continued...
« Reply #2407 on: June 11, 2012, 11:08:28 pm »

[Well, dwarves likely don't form masterwork molds to cast the product, but beat a hot bar with a hammer until it looks about right, so it probably takes them a little more time to do that. A legendary anything does anything else fast, though. :P]

[And did I mention how we're are going to skin your ass alive when we find out what you did to those dwarves? Stuffed seven souls in a single body? Torture. Dwarves don't sit well with torture. Not to mention the abomination-factor. That's just horrifying.]

-Corai is just gonna watch and smile. Watch and smile. Or he'd just go "vigilante" and do it for fun common good.-

-Meh, for fun.


[ETHICS: TORTURE_FOR_FUN: APPALLING]
[ETHICS: EAT_SAPIENT_OTHER: UNTHINKABLE]
[ETHICS: TORTURE_FOR_INFORMATION: ACCEPTABLE]

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Re: If Bay Forum were a Mountain Hall, continued...
« Reply #2408 on: June 11, 2012, 11:20:05 pm »

It's more like adding 7 souls into 1 super soul than just throwing them into one container. But I agree, it might look pretty horrifying.
Btw, look up the c-consciousness on the stalker wiki.
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Re: If Bay Forum were a Mountain Hall, continued...
« Reply #2409 on: June 12, 2012, 12:07:49 am »

Btw, look up the c-consciousness on the stalker wiki.

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Re: If Bay Forum were a Mountain Hall, continued...
« Reply #2410 on: June 12, 2012, 12:14:07 am »

[I just got my 3DS today, which is why I've not been keeping up with this thread.  Kid Icarus: Uprising, y u so good?

I'll be back with more Gizogin stuff tomorrow, hopefully.]
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Re: If Bay Forum were a Mountain Hall, continued...
« Reply #2411 on: June 12, 2012, 10:50:22 am »

"Wait, before you go, just promise me one thing. No more 'Out of State' visits from anyone until this whole plague thing is dealt with. Got it? Make sure nothing from outside our dimension shows up back home. We really can't afford the risk."

"I'll try to, but I cannot make an agreement for the enemy."
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« Reply #2412 on: June 12, 2012, 11:27:10 am »

While Hugo and Corai were viewing the information crystal, Zanzetkuken arrived at the bridge of the Slashdiver as it was about to launch.
"General."
"Zanzetkuken."
"Ship ready?"
"Awaits your command."
"Your command, general.  It is your ship."
"Knew you were going to say that."  The general turned to a nearby crew member and ordered, "Launch the Slashdiver."
"Sir!"




From the vantage point of an outside observer, the very land itself seemed to open up, due to a few cleverly camouflaged bridges raising.  Behind the bridges, the Slashdiver rose upward into the sky and launched forward.  It reached sonic speed and then created a opening in the sky to darkness and launched through.

Something akin to an inertial dampener is on the ship, preventing the people aboard from being launched backwards from the sudden acceleration.  It is able to reach sonic speed due to the fact that the ship it was made after was able to reach that speed.  Sorry if double post.
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Re: If Bay Forum were a Mountain Hall, continued...
« Reply #2413 on: June 12, 2012, 11:55:25 am »

[What I meant by that promise was that, in any fighting or conflict, you'll try to prevent ANYTHING from reaching us]
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« Reply #2414 on: June 12, 2012, 04:23:53 pm »

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[If the ship was disrupting inertial forces, it would aso have to be disrupting spacetime simultaneously to decouple inertial reference from accelleration. Eg, the ship moves from frame dragging, and warp drive. This allows the ship to move without inertial and accelleration effects, by moving a chunk of reality around instead of the ship itself. (Further reading: alcubierre warp drive) Engaging this in atmosphere would be 'bad mkay', because the warp drive creates a sort of event horizon around the ship, and mass-energy from atmospheric particles hitting the horizon would cause them to "stick" to the horizon, building up a huge mass energy wave as long as the field was active. This would reach "OMG! Were all gonna die!" Levels in under a second. As soon as the field was shut off, the energy would blast off like an atomic bomb. Clearly, you can see why this would be a "bad thing." Even in otherwise total vaccuum, the alcubierre metric's tensor field would interact with quantum vacuum fluctuations, and as such would relase copious amounts of hawking radiation, and drain the field generator's power vampirically. This exposure to vacuum particle energy would similarly build up on the horizon while active, but would be considerably less intense than atmospheric activation.  It would pose a problem for sustained operations, however. Not that it matters too much though, the ship could travel at nearly limitless velocity. Sustained cruises would be a silly idea with a ship that gets to the destination almost instantly.

The point here is that inertial dampening, (decoupling the frame dragging of a masssive object, so that relativistic effects stop happening, or reducing an objects mass directly) in an atmospheric environment would be dangerous in the "epically bad" kind of fashion.

Its possible that your theoretical ship uses concentrated disruption of the higgs field to alter the ships mass, so that inertial forces are reduced, but that field effect would also effect atmosphere around the ship, and the dirt under it, and the brownian motion of the raw atoms inside the ship would also be likewise altered. It would tend to make the ship explode. (All matter not at absolute zero temperature is in motion, and bouncing around against each other, tethered in place with electrical forces from the atoms' electron clouds and neuclei. Reducing the inertial rest mass of the atom increases velocity. This is also true of the brownian motion of the component atoms. The effect is that the atoms speed up accordingly to the reduction of their rest mass, as the innate energy of their motion has not changed. This causes a sudden and intense change in apparent temperature of the material, and a precipitous drop of its specific heat. If the ship was sufficiently hot (say... room temp...), and you reduced its inertial mass 50%, its temperature would double explosively.

If you slowly spooled up the inertial damper so that the heating effect held pace with blackbody photon emissions, you would be relatively safe....except that your biological activities would suddenly be working with the same chemical energy as before, but now with radically easier to move atoms, and as such, your metabolism would induce spontaneous combustion. If we assumed that our ship is unmaned, or that the crew is in cryo, then we have another problem. Sure, slowly spooling up the inertial damper to allow the ship to cool safely keeps it from blowing up, but now you have to slowly spool it back down again, or the ship will be an superchilled cryonic popcicle when the field is switched off. (All the thermal energy bled out during the slow spool up!)

Long story short: inertial dampers aren't toys. Don't use in atmospheric conditions. Higgs field manipulation has dangerous side effects, use with caution. Don't ignore the safetys on an FTL or ID capable ship.

This concludes this geeky PSA]

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