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Re: If Bay Forum were a Mountain Hall, continued...
« Reply #1155 on: May 24, 2012, 10:48:19 pm »

All that fighting happened at Bay Bold. It seems to have distracted us from the real threat, however, and now we have precious little time to spare.
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Re: If Bay Forum were a Mountain Hall, continued...
« Reply #1156 on: May 24, 2012, 11:06:17 pm »

Oliolli crawled out of the dead beast's eye. Cleaning bits of brain off him, he turned to Hugo.
"I think we better go burn the eggs now. You can breath fire? Hey, Zemini, get wierd back to the fort. He needs sleep. Me, Hugo, SPHM and Eric ought to be able to work things out with the eggs."

In the distance Oliospi could see small fires burning, most of them dying down. What had gone on moments ago, he had no idea. An energy beam and lots of noise were involved. He kept moving.


OOC: Looking through what has happened, it seems to me that Zanzetkuken has been doing the largest portion of godmodding. Corai's rebirth-thing and nimblness are established facts, while Zanzetkuken always seems abuse his existing powers in new and exciting manners (Mind-reading->Pulling a bullet out of Hugo's shoulder, mending the wound and removing the pain) or create new ones as the situation requires them (Energy beam, where did that come from?). He'll even prevent others from accepting shitty things happening to them (Hugo's bullet). Wierd is good at these things, he actually got beat up. Hugo would, except Zanzetkuken has those nasty godpowers. I hope I can accept bad things, it's just that I'm not here most of the time when they could happen so I can't really tell. When others are controlling Oliolli, I can't really affect what happens.

The strange thing is, I see him as a sort of de-facto leader of this group. He really seems knows how to take charge when things get rough (at least in the story.)

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I would be the first to say that when people start pulling out Deus ex Machinas, I pull out Diablos ex Machinas. It's just that retconning things seems so jarring, so throwing in huge disasters is the only way of I can think to deal with godmodding.

I also work like that. The Ollifex-summons actually working, the failsafe put into it (which you prevented, then again, you had a good reason for being able to), the Olliolifex, the Spawn of Ollifex... Heck, back during the time I fought Clockwork Oliolli I had actually written up a death scene for Oliolli, whe I just figured I'd randomise the outcome. Suddenly I needed a small Deus Ex Machina, thus the added forumitium traces.

If the godmodding reaches ridiculous levels (think something like "an antimatter cannon pulled out of nowhere to combat an eldritch abomination"... why does that seem familiar?) I may have to start... Devilmodding? "The baddies start slashing at the [god-modder]. He dies. Period."
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Re: If Bay Forum were a Mountain Hall, continued...
« Reply #1157 on: May 24, 2012, 11:13:24 pm »

Don't worry Zanzetkuken, the story goes on. I'd only retcon something out of dire need.

Perhaps the Citadel is threatened, with so much focus on this plane. Recent events do show that your people have other enemies than the ones found here.
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Re: If Bay Forum were a Mountain Hall, continued...
« Reply #1158 on: May 24, 2012, 11:14:51 pm »

Eric kept sneaking through the cavern, hours after the others had left. He had no skill in stealth or ambushing, but centipedes didn't have many of the sense-organs benefitting mammals, anyway, including any form of eyesight besides light and dark detection, or "hearing" as a sense with air as a medium. The worst he could do was create vibrations in the ground that attracted their attention, and watching his footing carefully was helping with that. Just had to keep up the soft footwork... Every so often, a centipede would clamber over and brush against him, and he would telepathically force it to ignore him and move on. Hell, with these things being driven entirely by instinct, without a conscious mind of any sort, he could practically order the entire colony to do his bidding. But that would be godmodding, and unlike some people, he had a sense of fun and good narration (lookign at you here, ZTG!) And a love of explosions, among other forms of mass destruction. As he walked along, Eric placed charges Wierd had made in fault lines. There was an active transform fault going through this area, the plates locked and storing up energy over the last few centuries, and if he was careful about placement and timing of the explosives, he could disturb the slumbering giant just enough to collapse this unnaturally large chasm. It was practically rigged to collapse, anyway. The entire thing was a massive limestone cavern, formed from water, and bits of the ceiling crumbled down every so often with the shifting of billions of arthropods. Even a tiny shifting of rock, perhaps the explosions themselves, and the entire roof would collapse. Investigating the walls themselves had proven that the centipedes hadn't dug the cavern, or anything within it, and were simply conforming to the environment around them. This was almost too easy.

After the last charge was placed, he began making his way back to the exit. A significant portion of the centipedes had wandered out into the nighttime air, probably to hunt for game. When he had reached the wall, he found two mature centipedes, each about 8 feet long and a foot thick, confirmed they were of opposite gender telepathically, and then ordered them to permanently enter his service and follow his commands. He led them down the tunnel to the tower a hundred yards or so, the explosives Wierd had engineered would detonate once he blew the one charge he'd run a wire too. He quickly orchestrated a large cave-in of the tunnel behind him to prevent a shockwave through the air from affecting him, making sure the wire wasn't damaged. A second after pressing the pin, there came a thunderous boom and the ground shook violently, both from the explosion and the tiny shifting of the local fault blocks. Eric was already prone and had ordered the centipedes to lay over him to protect him from debri, but none fell, as he'd thought would be the case after crossing a fault line to an adjacent block. The fault, however, had shifted a full 8 inches to the left after the explosions and mini-quake, and the tunnel was thus split to a degree. Oh what fun!

He began digging a stairway to the surface to survey the extent of the damage, praying that the roof had at least mostly collapsed and many of the centipedes would be dead. Indeed, when he reached the surface, there was a massive depression, at the bottom of which was debri, and gore. So much gore! Some of the centipedes were still alive, but were stunned and confused enough, flashing their psychadelic patterns, to ignore him as he walked back down the stairs and down tunnel toward the tower. They'd still need some moderate clean-up, and those out hunting were certainly alive, but his work was done and the nest was effectivel destroyed. The colony would be trying to move to a new home, at that point, making them vulnerable to most any means of attack. It was dawn, and centipedes didn't like the sunlight.
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Re: If Bay Forum were a Mountain Hall, continued...
« Reply #1159 on: May 24, 2012, 11:17:38 pm »

Tip: not much better to in-character complain of god-modding. I'm sure that, given the opportunity, in actuality we would use very powerful things. There must be a pluasible reason for not using them.

I'd beware of those centipedes, Eric. The person who introduced them implied that their bites cause painful death and/or assimilation.
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Re: If Bay Forum were a Mountain Hall, continued...
« Reply #1160 on: May 24, 2012, 11:19:38 pm »

All that fighting happened at Bay Bold. It seems to have distracted us from the real threat, however, and now we have precious little time to spare.
[Real threat?  You'll have to remind me.]

Arrgh, this is so annoying!  I'm so close to being done, but there's always something, isn't there?  G-Bodies!
[the G-Bodies Mks. V-IX assemble in the workshop]
V, get me a bar of steel.  VI, clean up all these gears and pieces of scrap metal.  Don't throw them away; the metal could be useful later.  IX, take charge of the hospital.  If anyone comes in, you know what to do.  VII and VIII, find the missing key to the Mark X.  I don't care how long it takes, but you must find it!  When you do, destroy it.  I want no-one to be able to use it, understand?  Those are your orders.  Do not fail.
[All five automata snap to attention and salute, then set about their assorted tasks.  The Mk. V returns shortly with a bar of steel.]
Good.  V, stand down.  I'm going to finish the X, no matter what it takes.  I'll make another key, and then it'll be done, once and for all.

[Man, I've been pretty much separated from all the real action.  Well, the Mks. VII and VIII are heading over to Bay Bold in search of that key (where they got the idea to check there, I have no idea), so hopefully something will come of that.  I don't have any crazy god-powers, so I don't think I'd fare too well were I actually to become involved in all this fighting.  Heck, I barely have any combat experience, and I've been working on my automata for so long that I'm cave-adapted.]
[EDIT: Just saw my sig, and remembered my fluffballs from a while ago.  If I were to flex my long-forgotten modding muscles...  But I don't think I will.  Laziness will always triumph over evil!]
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Re: If Bay Forum were a Mountain Hall, continued...
« Reply #1161 on: May 24, 2012, 11:23:05 pm »

Tip: not much better to in-character complain of god-modding. I'm sure that, given the opportunity, in actuality we would use very powerful things. There must be a pluasible reason for not using them.

I'd beware of those centipedes, Eric. The person who introduced them implied that their bites cause painful death and/or assimilation.

[Eh, I appologize, I just felt it would be tacky to put a [] in the middle of a paragraph...

And disclaimer: Despite my education in geology thus far, I actually have no idea what magnitude of explosives would be necessary to cause any motion whatsoever along a transform fault. I think that'd be a good question to ask my professor, though. The vast cavern as described was practically rigged to collapse, though. That shit doesn't exist in nature because it isn't stable; voids exist to be filled. Caves can be impressively large, but not THAT big.]
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Re: If Bay Forum were a Mountain Hall, continued...
« Reply #1162 on: May 24, 2012, 11:24:08 pm »

The real threat was the colorful centipedes. Seems a wee bit diminished now. Don't think it was a cave, so much as a deep crevice, probably carved out by a river or a glacier long ago.

The ground suddenly shook, and a noise that quaked the air ripped from the north. Then, it was over. Super Plump Helmet Man dusted off his cape. "Any ideas what that was?"
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« Reply #1163 on: May 24, 2012, 11:30:22 pm »

..... my character?....a leader?

You're kidding right?  He's of the opinion that people should lead themselves, but if people don't know what they are doing, he would rather show them the correct, or at least better way to do it so they don't hurt themselves.

He's a firm believer that you have no right to command or control others if you can't command or control yourself.  He hates authority, and hates being in charge.  He's the sort that would only begrudgingly accept a leadership role if there was no other choice, or if somebody clearly batshit like tharin was in charge, and desperately needed to be cast down.  Even a despot can create stability in a region, where interegency causes a power vacuum, strife, and insufferable conditions for ordinary people while the "important" (said with intense derision) duke it out for who gets to sit in the big chair.

In his mind, nobody has the authority or right for that chair, and people who seek it for personal wish fullfillment and damn all have no right whatsoever to even look at the damned thing.

This personality trait is a direct approximation of my own persona IRL.  I turned down a department leadership role for this very purpose. I prefer to just do my job without the added hassles and responsibilities of office politics. 

If he has a "take charge" air, its because he's taking charge of himself. If others follow, he will curse it, because then he has to look out for them too.  If he walks into the maw of hell, he doesn't want people to follow him there.
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« Reply #1164 on: May 24, 2012, 11:38:59 pm »

Wow, that's almost exactly my position on leadership as well. Anyway, though, you seem more capable of keeping people focused, and rallying them when they are scattered. That is what I meant. It's not so much commanding as leading by example.
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« Reply #1165 on: May 24, 2012, 11:43:57 pm »

..... my character?....a leader?

You're kidding right?  He's of the opinion that people should lead themselves, but if people don't know what they are doing, he would rather show them the correct, or at least better way to do it so they don't hurt themselves.

He's a firm believer that you have no right to command or control others if you can't command or control yourself.  He hates authority, and hates being in charge.  He's the sort that would only begrudgingly accept a leadership role if there was no other choice, or if somebody clearly batshit like tharin was in charge, and desperately needed to be cast down.  Even a despot can create stability in a region, where interegency causes a power vacuum, strife, and insufferable conditions for ordinary people while the "important" (said with intense derision) duke it out for who gets to sit in the big chair.

In his mind, nobody has the authority or right for that chair, and people who seek it for personal wish fullfillment and damn all have no right whatsoever to even look at the damned thing.

This personality trait is a direct approximation of my own persona IRL.  I turned down a department leadership role for this very purpose. I prefer to just do my job without the added hassles and responsibilities of office politics. 

If he has a "take charge" air, its because he's taking charge of himself. If others follow, he will curse it, because then he has to look out for them too.  If he walks into the maw of hell, he doesn't want people to follow him there.

This is all very well and respectable. I hate politicians' attitudes. The greedy lot of nobles ought not be getting any benefits for the positions.
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« Reply #1166 on: May 24, 2012, 11:45:41 pm »

-Now I see why our characters hate one another, THERE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. One hates authority, one is trying to conquer the dwarves, if not elves. I feel your character has no prejudice, mine would wipe out a entire species just because they are half-elf.-
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« Reply #1167 on: May 25, 2012, 12:04:15 am »

Lol!

I've been called a racist for not bowing and scraping to the PC special excemptions afforded to certain ethnic groups.  A notorious one is the jewish population, even though I am hereditarily semitic through my mom's side. (According to jewish custom, this makes me a bonafide jew.)

I will open tell jewish people to shut up and get off the soapbox over the holocaust, bcause all kinds of people died with jewish people in the furnaces and gas chambers too. Black people, gays and lesbians, mentally handicapped, all kinds of people. Jews weren't special in any respect in that matter, and don't deserve a racecard. I don't care how much of your family was lost. I lost 2/3 of mine on my mother's side to the second world war, when stalin purged the ukraine. They either starved to death, or were killed fleeing the country.  I am immune to the sobstory, and will tear up that racecard as soon as one tries to play it. LOL!

I am similarly opposed to any other ethnic special excemption. This gets me all kinds of bad press sometimes.

To me, your current condition is only partially influenced by the past.  Ok, your ancestors 6 generations ago were slaves. What are *YOU* doing to improve your position in life? Robbing a convenience store, and being "gangsta?" Seriously? Wtf mtoehr fucker! No way I'm gonna look the other way.  I grew up dirt poor too, and I'm a fucking engineer! Why? Because I went to fucking school and got a degree. Nothings stoping you but you, and I won't back down on that fact. I don't care if your skin is green and scaly, and your breath smells like rotting meat. What you do with your life is YOUR doing, and nobody elses!

This is why my character has distaste for elves.  That they rape trees, and dance naked in the woods isn't the problem.  The problem is that they have the gall to try to tell him he has to be like they are, or suffer physical violence.  They are putting themselves in the big chair, and he won't have any of that shit.  They try it, he whips out the white phosphorus.

The amnesiac elves he has a respect for, because they are self-determining. He won't interfere with their choices, or tell them what to do, as long as they don't meddle with him that way.

His main beef with corai, is that corai keeps stealing his stuff, causing trouble, and stabbing him.

He's kind of an eccentric person, but his personality is very pronounced and strong.
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Re: If Bay Forum were a Mountain Hall, continued...
« Reply #1168 on: May 25, 2012, 12:09:28 am »

-Wait, causing trouble? I dont remember causing any trouble either then occasional stealing, my kobold has gotten above that unless its uber-super shiny kitty cats expensive, like a giant diamond. Unless I been forgetting that every now and again, and I dont remember stabbing without self defense.


But then again, I am trying to be a ass IC, so thats what I was going for!-
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Re: If Bay Forum were a Mountain Hall, continued...
« Reply #1169 on: May 25, 2012, 12:20:53 am »

The reason why a dictatorship or oligarchy never works is that too much power is in the hands of too few. People are literally not capable of handling that much responsibility for an appreciable amount of time. Sure, they might present the illusion of stability, but inherent flaws such as personal motivations and being only able to make a good guess as to the thoughts, needs, and wants of others makes these "gifted few" a poor choice for government. Having too few people in power means that there aren't enough to understand what is best for everyone, or even understand what the people want from them.

Either I'm having Deja-vu, or I had this debate with someone in the last thread. Something about Machiavelli, I think.
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