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Re: If Bay Forum were a Mountain Hall, continued...
« Reply #2430 on: June 12, 2012, 10:13:40 pm »

The arms began to cool in .heir final casts. The smith began upon the legs, the powerful engines of death and motion...
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Re: If Bay Forum were a Mountain Hall, continued...
« Reply #2431 on: June 12, 2012, 11:11:03 pm »

[That's the thing about magic and technology. Both follow rules, but technology, being advanced application of calculable, physical principals, is inherently analytical. Magic, on the other hand, is inherently intuitive, existing because the world was malleable enough at one point to be shaped just as much by the perceptions of it's inhabitants as those perceptions were shaped by the world. Intuition can lead to leaps in problem solving that advance technology, and magic can be analyzed to pioneer it's use, but if you look at something magical too closely, it either tries to rationalize itself into a non-magical form, or if it's too far bent, the equations don't add up and you should pull out before your mind breaks.]
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Re: If Bay Forum were a Mountain Hall, continued...
« Reply #2432 on: June 12, 2012, 11:40:17 pm »

Most historic schools of magic take one of 4 forms:

1) understand the natural order, and your place within it, so that you can guide its manifestations. (Various asian practices mostly like daoism, celtic druidism, etc.) Should be perfectly reconcilable with science, even though science in our world tends to show spiritualism as being non-real, since it isn't measurable or consistent. In a world where it does work, science should be able to collect data, and so it should be able to be reconciled.

2) "Like above, so below."  Essential precept of sympathetic magic. It implies a fully interconnected state between essential actors, where discrete observances are just connected manifestations of the same event, viewed from different angles. Things like voodoo fall into this category.  The voodoo doll is like the person being cursed, and if viewed correctly, is magically identical to the real object. Thus, damaging the doll, damages the person. Likewise, changes in the person should manifest in the doll. About the only thing close to this observed by science is quantum entanglement.  As much as I hate to bring up game references, the mysticism created by micheal kirkbride for the TES series smacks HEAVILY of this, and has deep roots in gnosticism, which also focuses on this. At the deepest understanding, even the divinities can be moved by a well versed magic user, because they are bound by their natures, and manifestations the same as all other forces. Sympathetic magic is the most commonly practiced for of magic, and takes all kinds of shapes and cultural tones.

3) substitute the gestalt will of the natural order with your own. This is the basis of things like chaos magic.  You imprint your will and desire onto the chaotic energy on which the universe is built, and the injected order of that will takes on a powerful but not entirely predictable manifestation in the higher level universe. Allistair crowley and his illuminated order ("the brotherhood of light") focused on this sort of practice, using dreams, personal sigils to represent complex ideas, and a little sympathetic magic to do the things he claims. This would bump heads with science pretty hard. The uncertainty principle especially. Not many cultures or orders use this brand of magic; in fact, most shun or forbid it outright. The exact processes by which one conveys their will into the embroiling chaos that gives rise to observable order is different between obervant practitioners, but usually involves the use of self hypnosis, followed by willfull supression of waking conciousness. This has been documented to have been done with a variety of techniques, including self inflicted pain, inducing a near death experience, and the use of powerful psychoactive drugs to cause a severely distorted state of conciousness.  Due to the self-destructive, subertive, arrogant, and often selfish uses for this type of magic, many other magically minded philosophies consider this sort of practice to be particularly evil, with serious and far-reaching consequences.

4) divine magics, associated with the fullfillment of the divine will and purpose of a divinity. This is faith and belief based magic. Modern neopaganism is a mixture of this, natural order magic, and sympathetic magic. Kabalah is another, more pure form of this approach, with heavy trappings of sympathetic magic overtones.



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Re: If Bay Forum were a Mountain Hall, continued...
« Reply #2433 on: June 13, 2012, 12:03:38 am »

[(I think I already said this) Yes. Because of this early malleability at the dawn of time, the rules of the world now include magic, so all 4 are true. Magic can always be rationalized at the basic level, but magic that does something very strange cannot always be rationalized at the tiny, analytical level.
1) The natural order, including spirits and non-physical will. This works closely within the rules, and when examined closely will be rationalizable; alchemy and potions become chemistry, though with things like magical plants used as reagents, some sort of magical energy would explain strange effects.
2) Can also be rationalized in a wonky, but still comprehensible "different physics" sort of way. Where magic is involved, the rationalization of people, even if wrong by advanced scientific standards, becomes the actual process.
3)Ditto; mind over matter.
4)Again, the willpower does all the physics work/rule-bending to make supernatural things happen, only this time the will comes from a diety or equivalently powerful being.]

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Re: If Bay Forum were a Mountain Hall, continued...
« Reply #2434 on: June 13, 2012, 12:26:24 am »

As Oliolli walked in the direction in which he figured the fort would be, he couldn't help but feel something was off: he still had four limbs.
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« Reply #2435 on: June 13, 2012, 12:26:44 am »

And for my next post, I shall advance the story!


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Re: If Bay Forum were a Mountain Hall, continued...
« Reply #2436 on: June 13, 2012, 12:29:46 am »

[Well, if magic can't (or shouldn't) be taken too analytically, that also raises possibilities.  Actually, I have quite a few ideas for where I could take this.  Many are mutually exclusive, though.  An artificial, technological mind trying to use magic might have... consequences.  Anyway, I'm signing off for tonight.  I'll be very busy tomorrow (actually, since it's after midnight, I guess it's today), so I likely won't get a chance to check this thread until Thursday.]
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Re: If Bay Forum were a Mountain Hall, continued...
« Reply #2437 on: June 13, 2012, 01:13:27 am »

[An artificial mind might be able to use magic, but it would probably have to be sentient and be able to think abstractly like a natural person. Seeing as this is you exact duplicate...]

HugoLuman trudged down the main entrance, finding it still deserted, and went to find Joykill. He had extracted promises from Corai not to do anything nasty to Wierd for the sake of practicality.

"Woah, don't surprise me like that!" said Weird when for the millionth time he turned to see a draconic face behind him. "Back from your mission already? And what happened to your leg?"
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« Reply #2438 on: June 13, 2012, 01:17:49 am »

Corai made his way after Hugo, then turned to head to the old fort. He knocked on the safehouse room to have a dwarf open it.



"Siege has lifted." He said before leaving. The dwarf looked confused and went out to see for himself.



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Re: If Bay Forum were a Mountain Hall, continued...
« Reply #2439 on: June 13, 2012, 10:26:20 am »

[An artificial mind might be able to use magic, but it would probably have to be sentient and be able to think abstractly like a natural person. Seeing as this is you exact duplicate...]

HugoLuman trudged down the main entrance, finding it still deserted, and went to find Joykill. He had extracted promises from Corai not to do anything nasty to Wierd for the sake of practicality.

"Woah, don't surprise me like that!" said Weird when for the millionth time he turned to see a draconic face behind him. "Back from your mission already? And what happened to your leg?"

Problem.  I am still linked to you.  I cannot head out to battle until I am no longer linked to you.
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Re: If Bay Forum were a Mountain Hall, continued...
« Reply #2440 on: June 13, 2012, 01:16:35 pm »

[Getting to that.]

HugoLuman suddenly stumbled and fell over. "Hey, remember that soul deal we talked about earlier? Well, now's the time. I'm currently unattached right now, so make up you mind quick. And sorry if it seems like I'm forcing your hand but Zanz had something that just couldn't wait."
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« Reply #2441 on: June 13, 2012, 01:47:38 pm »

I will say now that I gave you the spell to do that (along with the reattachement one), and you did that yourself.
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Re: If Bay Forum were a Mountain Hall, continued...
« Reply #2442 on: June 13, 2012, 02:29:20 pm »

[Doesn't need a spell. If you're around, I can detach from you, and if someone lets me, I can attach if they're around.]
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« Reply #2443 on: June 13, 2012, 02:35:25 pm »

Weird winced. How would this affect hugo, being stuck to a budding madman? There wasn't time though.

"You DO realize there could be.. unforseen consequences right?" He asked worriedly. He needed informed consent, however weak the case.

"I don't care, yes or no?!" Demanded hugo, his long neck scrunched up against his chest.

Weird bit his upper lip. 

"Yes."
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« Reply #2444 on: June 13, 2012, 05:24:43 pm »

"It is done." Hugo stood back up.

Weird didn't know why, but he had expected some kind of lights show, but then again, things didn't always work that way. He did feel some kind of pressure in the back of his mind, though. Almost a feeling of weariness.
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