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Re: If Bay Forum were a Mountain Hall, continued...
« Reply #2415 on: June 12, 2012, 06:36:27 pm »

*cricket...cricket*


Did I kill the thread?
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Re: If Bay Forum were a Mountain Hall, continued...
« Reply #2416 on: June 12, 2012, 06:43:58 pm »

[I doubt it.  I'm still playing my new 3DS; it's becoming a problem.]
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Re: If Bay Forum were a Mountain Hall, continued...
« Reply #2417 on: June 12, 2012, 06:48:26 pm »

Order an R4 card, load that bitch up with 8gb of roms, and get it out of your system. You'll beg to be let back in!

(Lol!)

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« Reply #2418 on: June 12, 2012, 07:15:19 pm »

-snip for sheer length-

It is increases slowly during acceleration, and then weakens when the cruising speed is reached.  Deceleration is just done at a speed that prevents you from being launched forward.  Anything wrong with that statement?
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« Reply #2419 on: June 12, 2012, 07:57:40 pm »

Could only be turned on at absurdly low settings in atmosphere.

Energetic room temp air molecules hitting the field would erupt into plasma once inside the bubble otherwise, assuming a higgs buggering approach.

The alcubierre approach would drop the bomb if it was energized enough to move the ship, and would cause horrors to local gravity far before that if engaged on a planet's surface.

Arresting enough inertia for you to not get sucked into your seat means a significant reduction in effective inertial mass force. That means burning air around the ship, and the need for cryo pods.

Seat belts are just plain cheaper. ;)
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« Reply #2420 on: June 12, 2012, 08:01:57 pm »

would not a conical bubble cause the air to flow around the point?
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« Reply #2421 on: June 12, 2012, 08:26:36 pm »

No.

The issue here is with brownian motion of ambient air molecules.

Air molecules are always moving, bouncing into each other, and against ambient surfaces. This is the source of atmospheric pressure.  Under most circumstances, the impacts of these particles is uniform, and the forces cancel out overall. The local disruption of that pressure is how a water pump and a siphon works.  The normal, uniform distribution of these impacts is what makes soap bubbles round.

The issue, is that the aggressiveness of these particles hitting each other and surfaces is directly tied to temperature, or directed force.

If you heat air up, the particles move faster. More correctly, supplying energy to the air molecules speeds them up, and this increase in chaotic ambient kinetic movement is known as "heat".

Inertia is the measurement of resistance that an object with weight (mass) has against a change in velocity; it resists being sped up as much as it resists being slowed down.  This figure is directly tied to the object's mass. Reducing the inertial resistence of an object (so that it is easier to push) that is already moving, will increase its velocity to rebalance the equasion.

Air coming into contact with the field of the inertial damper will suddenly increase in velocity uniformly and chaotically.  The temperature of the air will suddenly spike, and excess energy will bleed out as light from black body emissions.

Arresting 50% of inertia would double the temperature of the random air interactions around the ship.  The same is true for the molecules in the ship's crews bodies.  They would suddenly jump from a normal human body temp of 98.6f to over 180f, and instantly cook to death.

You have to slowly let the field build up, so that the temp rise from the supression is balanced by the (slow!) Rate of blackbody heat emission as light. This means several hours of preflight.

During that time, the crew would *have* to go into cryo if any significant reduction of inertial force was suppressed.  This is because what would have been normal metabolism of the crew suddenly now has enough energy to detonate them like bombs. Frozen, they don't metabolize nearly as quickly, and the energy of those reactions is easier to handle.

Even in a sleeper pod, the field being active in the atmosphere would cause sudden and pronounced heating of the air as the energy it already carried suddenly made particles move faster.

The ground the ship was standing on would intercept that field. It would increase in temp as the field saturated. Grass would catch fire, but the fire would only burn inside the bubble.

The ship would be enveloped in a heady orange glow from energetic particles. The temp an obect from outside the field would suddenly become after passing inside would be directly tied to the aamount of inertial force being supressed. 50% reduction in inertial mass means 100% increase in effective temperature, because the thermal energy already in the object would become twice as effective. Throw a snoball into the field, it turns into water. It falls, leaves the feild, and prompty freezes again. Total thermal energy is conserved, what changes is how much influence that energy has.

Ambient temp air hits the field from random air movements. The air is suddenly very hot! It glows, releasing some of the energy due to blackbody radiation. It leaves the field, and is now COOLER than when it went in.

A fully saturated inertial damper field would be a mysterious bubble of flaming hell, with snow falling under it.

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« Reply #2422 on: June 12, 2012, 08:46:20 pm »

Unless there was some powerful coolant used to suppress the heat.
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« Reply #2423 on: June 12, 2012, 08:48:11 pm »

[Well, I'm still playing KI:U, but I've taken a break for now.  7.0 intensity is absolutely brutal.]

[This is still set fairly early on in the siege.  It's hard to gauge when, exactly, because it's completely cut off from the rest of the events, but I'd place it no later than the start of that whole debacle with Corai and Hugo.  This is Gizo X, in the workshop.]

The books Gizogin had taken from Cog were not, as he had originally thought, a five-part set.  Two of them were a bestiary and an autobiography, respectively.  The other three were a three-part guide to the basics of magic, and it was that which Gizogin was interested in.  Jathrur's writing style was a bit too loose for Gizogin's liking, but there was more than enough information there for his purposes.  Assuming he could keep working without being interrupted, he'd soon have a device built which would allow him access to the most basic of magic.

[Now we jump ahead a bit, to roughly the current time that everyone else is working in.]

It was finished!  Well, 'it' was actually two parts.  'They' were finished.  The first part was a very large work of delicate crystal and golden filigree, designed to draw and store magical energy from its surroundings.  The second part was much smaller, about half the size of a closed fist, but it was just as ornate as the first part.  Its purpose was to act as a more portable receptacle for magic, which Gizogin would be able to draw on at will.  It only held a limited amount, though, and would have to be recharged regularly from the larger device.  Gizogin held the smaller part, which he had dubbed the G-Core, delicately in his hand.  He reached out to the small reserve of magical energy held within, closed his eyes, and shaped the spell.  When he opened his eyes again, the door to his workshop was covered in a thin coating of ice.

His experiment a success, Gizogin allowed himself a smug smile.  Now the real work could begin.
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« Reply #2424 on: June 12, 2012, 08:51:30 pm »

Congradulations!  You have made the first artificial planeswalker spark!  Though it isn't able to allow you to travel through the planes. yet.
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« Reply #2425 on: June 12, 2012, 09:01:00 pm »

Its just a magical battery and charging station.

I would expect the following limitations:

Material limits the portable battery can safely hold before mechanical failure.

Energy of some other form must be expended to force ambient magical energy to become more concentrated in the charger.

Rate of energy concentration in the charger is limited by mechanical limits of the energy used to perform the concentration, the rate at which magical energy can be safely conveyed by the charger, and the mechanical limits of mainting magical "pressure" inside the charger. (Otherwise the magic would just sputter out again like a jet!)

This means gizo-x now has limited spellcasting ability, limited by his battery, and the normal energy reserves his mech body has for normal function being diverted for magical manipulation.

His spells will be technically perfect, but "willpower" would mean nothing, since gizo-x has no soul, and is a pure ai golem, animated by mundane means.

Gizo-x better keep an eye on his spellbooks though. Lesser magics are like candy to information junkies like Joykill.  Its the equivalent of crack cocaine to him. Hopelessly addicted.
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« Reply #2426 on: June 12, 2012, 09:15:06 pm »

Magic in this universe/multiverse works a bit differently from the mana system of MTG one. Though I suppose that magic from somewhere with different magic rules might still work the same somewhere else, because magic A is magic A. That is why your magic works the same in this world even though this world's native magic is very different.
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« Reply #2427 on: June 12, 2012, 09:24:27 pm »

I submit to the people on the thread that we stop with the meta.
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« Reply #2428 on: June 12, 2012, 09:41:27 pm »

And here I was contemplating a potential upgrade for gizo-x....

Only weird or eric could make it though, having access to a divine magic pool.

Basically, what "necromancy" *is*, is the ability to control non-sentient "energy" from the conduit from the world of the living, to the world of the dead.  With powerful enchanting circles, that conduit can be bent into pretzel shapes, and even be closed. That's what weird did to thari; shoved her into the conduit, watched as she bounced off the door of the afterlife, then used his powers to close the exit back to the mortal plane. A normal spell caster couldn't do that. He can do so because of the spiritual modification he suffers from under his contract. Literally, part of his spirit *is* the void now, in a manner of speaking. Zanz could probably drop him face first into the blind eternities, and it wouldn't kill him or drive him any crazier than he already is. Part of him is already there!

To animate corpses, some of that energy is pulled through that spiritual connection into the necromancer, where it stops being chaotic from interaction with the rest of the necro's soul, given purpose, and shoved into suitable empty shells. EG, corpses.  This is why weird and eric can spy on people with their corpse puppets; the energy shoved into them is mingled with the necro's own spirtual presence. The necro just has to chose to become more aware of that part of themself. The number of corpses a necro can control is limited by how important the part of them "replaced" was, how intelligent, and how much willpower they have.

A summoning seal could be bastardized with gizo-x's current design, to aggressively funnel void energy into the recepticle. From there gizo-x could make use of it however he chose. Since gizo-x is non-living, and has no soul, it is not a violation of the contract. :D

Weird and eric could create a super-charged powercore for gizo-x this way, that self-recharges.

He could also possibly utilize raw void energy like other forms of magical energy available to mundane casters.
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« Reply #2429 on: June 12, 2012, 09:49:49 pm »

[Well, that's an interesting proposition, and brings up quite a bit of storyline potential (there could be some conflict brewing between Gizo X and Gizogin).  What would give wierd and Eric cause to do that, though?  Gizo X's forays into magic are (currently) driven solely by the necessity to find out what's going on outside the hospital.  While he certainly isn't going to give up his magic after the siege is done (and he therefore no longer has that same need), he's lived his whole life without ever needing magic before.  It might be that he just isn't interested in going any further with it.  Only time will tell.]

Gizo X checked the amount of energy left in the Core.  It was already worryingly low, but hopefully it would be enough.  All he needed was a mirror, and he'd be able to see what was going on outside the hospital.  Well, technically he didn't need a mirror, but it would be more efficient to have one.  Annoyingly, Jathrur hadn't provided the specific equations and figures for any of his magic, so Gizo X had to rely mostly on guesswork to determine the exact cost of each spell.  Still, his artificial mind would easily be able to work it out, given a few spells to go on.  The more he cast, the better he'd get.

Gizo X once again reached out to the Core, and shaped the magical energies into a spell of scrying.  Now he'd finally be able to see what was going on.
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