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[WillowLuman]

"Oh, Weird, something I'd meant to ask you. Not meaning this in any accusatory way, I don't think it's likely given they views you've expressed, but... did you take samples of my tissue while I was tranq'd?"

[wierd]

The problem I was getting at is that you are not omniscient, and therefore, your conception of reality is not the same or objective as a naturally formed one is.  This would be a "signature stamp" on every single bit of substance and energy in that world. Its also why the world needs an anchor in the first place, and has to be maintained. The idealized nature of its very being is not the lowest energy state, like it is in a natural reality, which is why it has to be powered and maintained.

A cheater's way to make a stable pocket reality is to alter the way time flows in that universe so that the pocket hs waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more time pass inside it than in the universe where its creator is sitting.  This way the created universe still cools "naturally", and chaotically, but on a timetable the creator finds favorable.  Some pretty powerfl chronomancy would be required though.  (It would also make the reality easier to mae habitable, and exciting, since you could seed it with a single drop of pondscum, then turn the clockspeed up again and watch evolution make all sorts of fun things.)

The real issue is the amount of energy needed.  Natural realities have nearly incalculable amounts of energy in them. Without causing unpredictable cnsequences in the multiverse, the pocket must be small, and that means very little enrgy inside. This is why stars don't exist, or why if they do, they are just a cosmetic artifact, and aren't really real stars.

[Gizogin]

[Oh, no-one's claimed responsibility for that yet?  I suppose I could have done it; are you by any chance suddenly missing your appendix?  Many of my patients get a complimentary appendectomy.  This machine that one Gizogin is working on, though I haven't quite solidified it in my mind yet, could potentially require dragon tissue to operate.  It's a bit far afield of what I normally do.

EDIT: With wierd's ninja-ing, my post now seems out of place.  The "that" for which no-one has claimed responsibility is the removal of several scales and tissue samples from Hugo.  Just to clarify.]

[wierd]

Hugo:

No.  While he would be interested in obtaining a sample for weapons research, given the clear and present threat posed at the bold bay encounter, weird would always ask before taking a sample.

[Gizogin]

weird would always ask before taking a sample.

[I feel like Gizogin wouldn't ask.  He's a doctor, and he knows what's best for his patients!  DO NOT QUESTION THE DOCTOR.]

[Eric Blank]

After the dragonman incursion, the fortress was on full alert. Eric had given his orders; the entire fortress population must accept masonry duties until a wall is built around the fortress. It just so happened the wall he had in mind would be the outer defensive perimeter he had planned, so it would actually be a big step forward.

Within 12 hours, a 3-meter-thick, one story wall would be done, and the fortress completely enclosed within, except for a gate leading off to the east. This wouldn't stop winged dragons or giant mosquitos, but it would certainly keep goblins and dragonmen out.

[WillowLuman]

I'm reminded of a certain Discworld passage about parasitic universes, IE small pocket universes that "piggy-back" on their host. They are stable because they take their rules directly from the host.

Weird, I think that something possessed of the means could create it's own universe without upsetting other universes, as by definition a universe is a self-contained system. All the energies of a universe won't leave or leak on their own, and things only go between them via artificial means. Some worlds may be stacked up together, kind of facets of the same universe; this would be "dimensions" or something. Just my opinion, I'd rank all universes together as "Reality," with Universes of similar laws or with common laws affecting things that go between them being Multiverses. A bunch of universes with a common origin (i.e., branching off from a common timeline as alternate legs of the trousers of time) would also be a multiverse. That's just how I classify things, though.

[Gizogin]

After the dragonman incursion, the fortress was on full alert. Eric had given his orders; the entire fortress population must accept masonry duties until a wall is built around the fortress. It just so happened the wall he ahd in mind would be the outer defensive perimeter he had planned, so it would actually be a big step forward.

[What do you mean by "the entire fortress?"  Just the dwarves, or are forumites included?]

[Eric Blank]

After the dragonman incursion, the fortress was on full alert. Eric had given his orders; the entire fortress population must accept masonry duties until a wall is built around the fortress. It just so happened the wall he had in mind would be the outer defensive perimeter he had planned, so it would actually be a big step forward.

[What do you mean by "the entire fortress?"  Just the dwarves, or are forumites included?]

[Eh, just the dwarves.]

[WillowLuman]

HugoLuman nodded at Wierd's answer. "I didn't think so. It's just that someone took some of my blood, scales, and a tooth; and that creeps me out a bit. I also wonder why. Anyway, where do you think is safe to look over these books?"

[wierd]

Hugo's cache of illict reading material was both intriguing, and clearly dangerous at the same time.  Making use of his "medically excempted" status to shirk wall building duty, he focused his efforts on rebuilding his hazard suit, and clandestinely reading the safer books from hugo's stash:  the healing arts, and the book on medicinally active native plants.

Both books would need an editor's revisions before they could be safely circulated, as much as the idea of censoring a book was abhorrent to him.  He would keep the originals intact, but under very strict lock and key, and require a complete psych profile from anyone requesting to read it, miskatonic university style. While not exactly the necronomicon, it might as well have been, for the very unwholesome uses for restorative magics it contained.  A spell to cause instant, rapid growth cancerous lesions was particularly vulgar in its detailed and concise descriptions and instructions, and complete lack of ethical candor. Even worse, was how it detailed precisely the different kinds of cancer it could cause, how to invoke them, and how it listed a rating on the horrendous pain it caused in the victim on a scale of 1 to 10.

He hoped he would never be tempted to use these things... so obscenely vicious.  As much as he hated the idea, perhaps he should visit eric, and ASK for a geas to never use these spells he was reading.  You could never be too careful with this kind of shit.

He would stick with what thari referred to as "perversely avaricial, purely thereputic and painless" healing magic, "written here only for completeness."

The magic *DID* seem to work though. He had bit his lip, and tried it on himself, and to his relief, and later, utter horror, found that it had worked exactly as advertised. If the....other...spells in this book were similarly objective in the morbidly hellish descriptions of effects as the one he had tried were, he shuddered to think of the consequences.

The redacted version was going to be considerably....thinner.. than the complete volume.

[WillowLuman]

I'll post some more excerpts of Thari's work in a bit...

[Eric Blank]

[I was just thinking about how I should explain the contents of My Friend, Kodkod, which I never did read or bring back to the bookshelf.

Well, actually, it was never on the bookshelf in the first place. Kept that one.]

[multiple edits for clarity and correctness]

[Mrhappyface]

Hmm. I have somewhat of a supreme goal: That augmentations are one step closer to divinity and NO ONE will be left behind. That doesn't mean I hate the flesh, after all, these are augmentations not replacements.

[wierd]

Sorry to burst your bubble, mr happyface.... but my char will flatly refuse augmentation. I suspect that most of the fortress that survived the cyberman invasion would refuse as well.

Attempts at forced augmentations are not advised.  Unless you want to give weird a reason to use what he considers morally inconsionable magics on your person.