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[HmH]

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Eric tapped his staff on the floor, plotting a reasonably merciful way to end the Masked One's misery. He didn't want to get hit by one of Fluffy's magical blunders, and was certain that the Masked One was beyond any healing Eric could dish out without a complete Skull-Staff.
"Hmm. It seems we all stand before a dilemma: waste time and effort trying to heal the Masked One, potentially getting ourselves killed in the process, or stand by and let him die. I offer a third option. Observe!"

Finish Lamar with a quick strike of my staff and cast a flesh-rotting spell at his head; make it a point to kill Lamar before anyone can stop me.

Eric then turned around and addressed his companions, finding himself more shaken than he would care to admit:
"Let me be absolutely clear: you could not save the Masked One from me. The blame for his quick and almost painless death is not on you. Now, let's end this farce and get back to surviving, shall we? First point: breaking camp and healing those who actually need it. Looting, pillaging, avenging the young fellow and finding the Captain can all come later."

Help break camp in the cave. Take Lamar's more or less clean-picked skull after my spell has finished its work.

[Nirur Torir]

((I was hoping to coach him through the spell, not cast my own spell. Since that's apparently not possible, is it possible to, say, improve slow regeneration salves by throwing healing magic at them while they're being created? Is it possible to use my knowledge of metamagic to practice combo spells with people [for stabilization or shoveling more energy into it]?))

[IronyOwl]

((Why did I get -1-1 instead of -1? I meant I only wanted to heal if the penalty was the -1 base one.

And I wanted to get restoration like Nirur, unless the uses are the same.))

Oh. Yeah, that's not possible; there are no Level 0 spells. Or none that'd get you exp in combat, at least.

I'll change it to restoration then.

((I was hoping to coach him through the spell, not cast my own spell. Since that's apparently not possible, is it possible to, say, improve slow regeneration salves by throwing healing magic at them while they're being created? Is it possible to use my knowledge of metamagic to practice combo spells with people [for stabilization or shoveling more energy into it]?))

To be honest, this may have been because I forgot what everyone's actions were and didn't bother to read ahead at the time. I'm not sure exactly how coaching someone through something would work, though.

Adding relevant magic to alchemy or similar will generally improve it, yes. Working together obviously has its own pitfalls, of course.

Metamagic is generally too "pure" to directly empower or assist other spells in that manner, similar to how you can't really use earth magic to stabilize a fire spell or fire magic to empower an earth one. More in-depth solutions, like mixing metamagic with other spells similar to combining fire and earth to get a lava spell, could work, though again combining spells has its own issues. Less in-depth solutions, like trying to forcibly direct an outside spell to make it more accurate or contained, could also potentially work.

[Caellath]

((Hey Irony, you forgot to take those 5 HP away from Eric.))

[IronyOwl]

((Hey Irony, you forgot to take those 5 HP away from Eric.))

When I said "all around" I meant the people immediately adjacent to you, not everyone everyone. Which was still half the team plus half the NPCs, but still.

[Spinal_Taper]

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Gustavo stands in between Eric and Lamar and grabs his staff. Using all of his skills, he tries to talk him down.
"I would not recommend that."

[Caellath]

Raise Lamars corpse once Eric is done with it.

((The group should use logic. If Eric is doing it to Lamar it means that he'll kill anyone who becomes helpless. Not a nice prospect if you ask me.))

[Spinal_Taper]

Raise Lamars corpse once Eric is done with it.

((The group should use logic. If Eric is doing it to Lamar it means that he'll kill anyone who becomes helpless. Not a nice prospect if you ask me.))

((Is that an implication to stop him? Or just to be wary?))

[Unholy_Pariah]

((Don't even think about it HmH... i did not complain and manouvre this long just to die because you have become impatient due to the lack of skull taking opportunities... Now i demand you explore the rock outcropping for skeletons or medical plants.))

((also no letting Caellath heal me... that's Nirur's job since hes the only one who ever has anything remotely resembling success in that field.))

logical arguments time:
1) Nirur is the only one who can save me.
2) He may fail anyway, in which case you can loot my skull anyway.
3) Killing me wastes a turn you could spend scavenging or hunting.
4) if you find a skeleton or an animal to kill you get a skull and/or food not to mention a resurrectable minion.
5) if you zombify an animal and i wake up i can start making it stronger.
6) ima haunt you.

[Caellath]

((@Unholy_Pariah: My bad. I won't try to heal you anymore. I'm very sorry.

@GM: Eric's healing attempt was directed at Gustavo.

@HmH: Stop being a douche.))

[IronyOwl]

((@GM: Eric's healing attempt was directed at Gustavo.))

Oh, hey, it was. Um. Draining life from one person to another is a lot trickier than draining it into yourself, though. More traditional healing magic would also help with that.

Uh... for the moment I think it's best to just leave it as is. I guess I could retcon it if it was really wanted, but healing Gustavo via draining the plant would have been a different scale of difficulty, so I'd basically have to blot out and reconsider the whole action.

[HmH]

((Don't even think about it HmH... i did not complain and manouvre this long just to die because you have become impatient due to the lack of skull taking opportunities... Now i demand you explore the rock outcropping for skeletons or medical plants.))

logical arguments time:
1) Nirur is the only one who can save me.
2) He may fail anyway, in which case you can loot my skull anyway.
3) Killing me wastes a turn you could spend scavenging or hunting.
4) if you find a skeleton or an animal to kill you get a skull and/or food not to mention a resurrectable minion.
5) if you zombify an animal and i wake up i can start making it stronger.
6) ima haunt you.

((My counterarguments:
0) No counterarguments to your moral premise.
1) Nirur's healing can be spent more effectively on other recipients; moreso, his character is known for hesitating to heal people when they most need it.
2) No counterarguments here, either. He could pull a Flagrarus, though, but that's unlikely... right?
3) It also frees up a lot of time our group would spend trying to heal you.
4) No counterarguments here, and not something I have thought about at the time. This changes everything.
5) Again, I haven't really thought there could be skeletons in this alcove.
6) I'ma trap your soul if you try, but that's irrelevant.

Overall, your case is solid and my idea of killing your character, born in the boiling depths of sleep-deprived madness, is starting to seem less and less lucrative to me. Invalidating my action now; Spinal_Taper, you might want to take note of that.

@IronyOwl: as sad as I am to say it, Eric the Objectivist Douchebag would refuse to heal Gustavo after Fluffy's Nova went off. Such an action would seem to him an irrational waste of perfectly good lifeforce and it would deprive him of a tactical high ground against his strange bedfellows, both of which are a no-no.))

[IronyOwl]

@IronyOwl: as sad as I am to say it, Eric the Objectivist Douchebag would refuse to heal Gustavo after Fluffy's Nova went off. Such an action would seem to him an irrational waste of perfectly good lifeforce and it would deprive him of a tactical high ground against his strange bedfellows, both of which are a no-no.))

Hooray for convenient misreadings then?

6) ima haunt you.

6) I'ma trap your soul if you try, but that's irrelevant.

And yeah, this generally isn't the best argument to use against a necromancer.

[HmH]

@IronyOwl: as sad as I am to say it, Eric the Objectivist Douchebag would refuse to heal Gustavo after Fluffy's Nova went off. Such an action would seem to him an irrational waste of perfectly good lifeforce and it would deprive him of a tactical high ground against his strange bedfellows, both of which are a no-no.))

Hooray for convenient misreadings then?

((Yep. And for GMs who keep the worst enemies of the group in their top shape!

Anyway, here's the new action. Let's all consider the old one to have never taken place... unless you want Lamar killed, that is.))

Eric scratched his chin as he thought what to do with the Masked One. Right now, the group was pretty much helpless, so he could, if he wanted, end the youngster's misery and take his skull... but alienating everyone would be bad in the long run.
Instead, Eric chose to get a few minutes' rest and examine the cave; the group's attempts to heal the Masked One would be as lethal to him as anything Eric could do. He leaned his staff against a wall and sat on the alcove's floor:
"Alright, that's it: we can finally stop for a while. I think this is as good a place as any to break camp. Who's with me?"

Rest and recuperate. Look at the alcove in more detail as I do so; pay utmost attention to skeletons, burned-out campfires and dark passages in the alcove's walls.

UPD: ((I will be unavailable from today and until July 9th, or maybe a few days more. Feel free to auto me if need be.))

[Spinal_Taper]

Gustavo looks over at Greg
"Hey, can I get some healing?"
If he can, he goes and forages for corpses and food. If he can't he goes and sets up camp.