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buzz killington

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Max population that can get immigrants
« on: May 08, 2012, 08:44:37 pm »

So say you're at the population cap, and unfortunate dwarfy events bring you back under it.  How far under it do you need to be before you get more doomed souls?
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Re: Max population that can get immigrants
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2012, 08:47:53 pm »

1 Dwarf. ONE.

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Re: Max population that can get immigrants
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2012, 09:16:56 pm »

I was at my cap of 300 one time and lost one dwarf to a random ambush, a season later I got like 35 immigrants.
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buzz killington

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Re: Max population that can get immigrants
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2012, 08:01:13 am »

Good to hear!  Between my children, wounded, and trapped vampires something like 40% of my fort is ineffective.  More skilled immigrants would help.
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Re: Max population that can get immigrants
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2012, 09:56:43 am »

Yep, one dwarf is enough. Unfortunately that cap doesn't stop you getting 70 immigrants to replace him...
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Re: Max population that can get immigrants
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2012, 01:22:26 am »

I have a cap of 30.

35 dwarves.

Then 23 arrived.

I have no idea how this works, if it ever does.
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Re: Max population that can get immigrants
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2012, 01:36:29 am »

If i remember correctly the first 2 waves are hardcoded to come no matter what.

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« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2012, 06:43:44 am »

The pop cap is a soft cap, in a way. As long as you are below it, you can receive migrant waves/have pregnancies (with an override for the child settings).

Case 1: pop cap 200, 199 dwarves. Child/pregnancy cap is set at 200:1000%. Migrant waves will still occur. Pregnancies will still occur. Migrant wave will be of whatever size it would normally be (thus potentially putting you above 250 dwarves). In addition, any dwarves pregnant at the time of reaching the population cap will still give birth. No new pregnancies or migrant waves will occur once at least one more dwarf arrives.

Case 2: pop cap 200, 199 dwarves. Child/pregnancy cap is set at 100:1000%. There are 100 children. Migrant waves will still occur. Pregnancies will not occur. Migrant wave will as before still be normal size. If the child cap was only reached recently, dwarves pregnant at the time of reaching the cap will still give birth.

Case 3: pop > = pop cap. Your current situation. Neither migrants nor new pregnancies occur. Again, if there were any pregnant dwarves at the time of reaching the cap, they will give birth.
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Re: Max population that can get immigrants
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2012, 07:51:50 am »

My understanding from pretty much everyone else on here is child cap isn't affected by pop cap... Migrant waves come as long as the liaison sees that you are below cap, and children are born as long as you have fewer children than the cap is set to... In your 200:1000 example, you'd have kids until there are 200, or 10 times the number of adults, whichever is lower.

Least that's how they always explain it to me.
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Re: Max population that can get immigrants
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2012, 08:07:48 am »

Migrant waves can come even if there's no liaison, like when your fortress is a capital. They just know.
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Re: Max population that can get immigrants
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2012, 09:44:43 am »

the migrants come untill the liaison sees you have too many dwarves and stops them. children migrants pretty much ignore the child cap, child cap only affects NEW pregnancies in the fort. The child cap as explained before is how it works. One is a number cap, "never more than x babies and children", the other a % cap which works based on the ADULT population. Setting it to 50 doesn't mean half the fort will be children, but a third (2/2 adults, 1/2 children means 3 equally sized portions, so 3/3 after reconsidering, and 1/3 children. I can write it down more mathematically, but I don't feel like it)
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