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[Meph]

@tierre: these will be no problem, since allies are always allies, and the boiling stones wont be a problem. Or do you get a lot of dwarven traders currently that bring golem transformation boiling stones ?

@ioi:

Bigger ammo stacks in quivers so they don't run out. Then give them extra sight range (can you give them extra firing range too?) and perhaps even the ability to retreat (don't know if that's possible).

All possible, same goes for the Ents/Treant... unlimited ammo-bow would only be possible by transformation. Elf turns into elf with interaction to shoot a material emission. Similar to the turrets. not quite the same. Biggest problem will be that rooms/furniture is impossible, because you can only build this underground or under a roof. So contructions are a must, otherwise they tantrum too much. Or maybe I could give them "no_emotion" and you dont make rooms at all ^^ dirty elves just sleep on the dirt.

[ioi101]

Yeah in that case I think just giving them very large quiver capacity would work just fine. The primary issue is just to stop them from running in and trying to kill something by beating it with a bow.

Although.. I like the transformation idea as some sort of limited martial-stance for special elves. I.e. special caste elves can interact with a "scout's tower" building and temporarily turn into deadly archers that are stuck in place but can shoot across half the map. Ok, maybe this isn't such a great idea, balance wise, but it would be cool if it's possible lol.

For rooms etc, I'm a bit conflicted. If you put them in, it might be a bit too easy to make fortifications and that would change the whole strategy of the race.

If the issue is happiness, couldn't you give them other ways to improve happiness? I don't know what's moddable (if anything) in this area, but you could say make something like your musical stage building purely focused on giving happy thoughts (very elf-appropriate heh), make statues and statue-similar things with high value, etc. In general I think the idea of creating a very high value garden with workshops spread around it as a way to keep elves happy sounds good to me. After all, with no mining or constructing, the game will lack alot of the building a fortress appeal of DF. Making a great garden would be a nice alternative.

In general I like the idea of maintaining the elves' happiness to be a major difficulty of playing them. So long as it's doable...

As for how to deal with very well armored dwarves - that's just a matter of having the right material for the arrows, isn't it? I'd imagine slademantine arrows will pierce slademantine armor. And there's no reason why some super-special wood that's been heavily magically enchanted in a druid circle can't be that sharp. I would just make it only usable for arrows - if you let them make everything from it then they'd just as easily go melee.

EDIT: Had a further idea. Elves should get a "bladedancer" caste, that gets massive bonuses to dodging and shield learning rates (but not other fighting skills). Also give them "parrying swords" that effectively act like shields with high block chance. With high enough blocking/dodging skills, this caste should be able to survive on the front lines even in fairly weak armor. The point of these elves would be to have an easy way to manage your pets, i.e. asssigning all of them to a bladedancer. Other options for a similar role would be a beastmaster or druid with magical defenses and pet healing abilities.

[ed boy]

Read it, processing it, will post tomorrow something long about it. I cant use captured enemies or corpses in reactions, but most of the things, including souls, would be possible.

I believe it would be possible to use captured enemies in reactions, though it would be a bit indirect.

Consider the current workaround for spawning a new creature:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

A boiling stone is created.
A dwarf is transformed into a new creature.
The new creature has a bodypart attached only be melting tissues.
The tissues melt and the bodypart falls to the ground.
The bodypart is reanimated by the transformed dwarf.
The now alive bodypart is now transformed into the new creature.
The dwarf transformes back into a normal dwarf.

We can adapt it as such:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

A dwarf brings all the non-enemy materials to a workshop and processes them.
A boiling stone is created, which when boils transforms applicable creatures.
The applicable creatures is transformed by the stone to another creature
This new creature can be set up to die immediately and drop the product. Alternatively, it can be set up to live for a while and be harvested later.

[Firehawk45]

I had a race designed in my hand, then stumbled over something thats hardcoded, whole thing useless.... Think i will stick to designing the drows, i quite enjoy that. You guys can have fun with the pointy ears

Only one question: Do you get a wagon when you play as elves?

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

But im back on my drows. Im awake now, so i can refine ideas and go in deep at those that are possible

Farming (or the drow equivalent):

- I would actually love to see that being a slave labor, but I think the only answer i get to this is "not possible" and a keyboard flying into my direction.

- There are "evil" plants already in the game, maybe work on them and make them the plants for the drows. Dont need to be different from dwarfen plants, they should just set the mood. Maybe a plant that produces bones in small numbers, another one that produces really tiny amounts of blood, just flinging around ideas, dont get hit by them.

- In regards to animals, they should be able to tame everything they can catch, but the standard animals should be spiders and other evil things (Can you milk spiders for thread?). Main reason to have animals is meat and bones for the various "projects" the drows have, and defense, which results in the same, one way or the other.

Crafting and trading:

- Bone crafts, Meat crafts and preferably skin crafts, if not possible, leather. Those should be corner points of drow economy. Ironbone and Bloodsteel if you have surplus. Also Masonry.

- Really expensive trade goods should also require souls/magic, so that you have to think about how much trade is good without having your defense underarmed.

Necromancy and possesions:

Here is the progression system i have in mind for the drows. The whole idea (and the reason they play themselves different from the dwarfes) is that their fortress gets stronger with every enemy they slaughter. Yes, the dwarfes have that as well to some extend (Goblinite, Turrets, Bifrost, skill aether, ....) but the drows are dependend on the souls of their enemies for defense purposes. No souls would mean no minions, no magic, and in the end, the fall of their fortress. That means a drow overseer will try to get even the last goblin into his hands, while a dwarfen overseer will just send them running and be happy he didnt loose his legendary cheese maker who was in danger.

So now, this segment is split in two: Necromancy and the summoning of demons. I just want to make the progression of a dark fortress easier to understand.

Necromancy:

The art of letting the puppets dance for you. In this tech tree, you will encounter lots of mass produced, cheap units, along with

Skeletal Minion

Using bones and a tiny amount of souls to make. They are small, not to strong and mainly used as a alert system, scouting the land around drow fortresses. When slayn, they leave behind bones, which can get recycled. In masses, they could overwhelm a goblin ambush or a squad of another race, if its not properly equipped. Some people say they can also serve tea.
(immun to pain, only killable by slashing off the head, Torso or chest. We will have to see if thats maybe overkill or just works fine).

Shadow Beast

These are one of those minions from which you will not have too many running around. They take a larger amount of souls then skeletons, but only that. So if you are in a pinch, calling one of this beasts may help you. They should be quite fragile, but with a strong attack which can spread fear in the hearts of the enemies of the drows.

(Easy to kill, paralyzing syndrome that only works if infused in the blood cycle of the enemy.)

Gargoyles

Those things are basically statues. They look nice , and they stand around. Oh, yes, and they rip your face off. These things are already implemented, only a way to craft the statue needs to be made. Again, souls (even more then shadow beasts, we are in dimensions of using a whole goblin ambush worth of souls here), a statue and maybe something else? Blood to appeace the gargoyle? Yeah, why not.

(leave them as they are now, maybe buff them a tiny bit to make them worth the souls)

Liches

Now, here we have something nice. Those little frost giants you see being dragged to the great butchery not only gave us their strong souls, no, they left us another gift. Bifrost. Utilizing some dark magic and evil powers you can create a lich, a powerful spellcaster capable of freezing enemies and attacking with the power of death themselves.
The costs you ask? Well, you need a good amount of bifrost, a handful frost giants should be enough. Then, souls. Lots of them. Probably even more then a whole siege gives you. Im also thinking about having to maybe sacrifice a drow for this minion, but thats up to Meph

So, liches are the most powerful undead? What if i dont play with frost giants?

Then, my friend, fear not, we have something more for you.

Fleshgolems

These things are huge, and they stench like a dwarf Fortress after a butterfly jammed the door and let goblins in. They wield two weapons: A grappling hook and a butchers knife, both very big. Seeing one of those on the battlefield may convince siegers that this fortress will probably not be worth the problems it would need to take it.

Souls, lots of meats, threads (you need to stitch that think together, right?) and bones. While the liches are the ultimate spellcasting minion, you dont want to let this one near you. It will chop you up and bring you back to the fort, as meal. The drows often call this perverted creatures "lilī butcher"

Next part will come shortly, im not done

[Doren]

Here goes my simple suggestion: dwarven concrete. It is not that high-tech and somewhat acceptable for the DF medieval world.
The purpose of making concrete is producing lots of construction blocks from just lime, clay and sand, so if i have only 11 limestone boulders but also there are clay and sand supply in my fortress then i could make 80 blocks instead of 44.
And of course, concrete is the best material for your aboveground Colosseum or Jailhouse.

There are my concretemaking raws:
The concrete mixer (nothing special, just a common bowl where cement and aggregate are supposed to mix)

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

[BUILDING_WORKSHOP:CONCRETE_MIXER]
   [NAME:Concrete mixer]
   [NAME_COLOR:7:0:1]
   [DIM:1:1]
   [WORK_LOCATION:1:1]
   [BUILD_KEY:CUSTOM_ALT_M]
   [BLOCK:1:0]
   [TILE:0:1:238]
   [COLOR:0:1:0:7:0]
   [TILE:1:1:238]
   [COLOR:1:1:MAT]
   [BUILD_ITEM:1:TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_LARGE_POT:NONE:NONE][CAN_USE_ARTIFACT]
   [BUILD_ITEM:1:TRAPPARTS:NONE:NONE:NONE][CAN_USE_ARTIFACT]

Some changes to the inorganic_stone_soil to make sand usable as aggregate

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

[INORGANIC:SAND_TAN]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SOIL_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:sand][DISPLAY_COLOR:6:4:1][TILE:141]
[SOIL][AQUIFER][SOIL_SAND]
[SOLID_DENSITY:1710] SCS = 90/5/5
[REACTION_CLASS:AGGREGATE]

[INORGANIC:SAND_YELLOW]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SOIL_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:yellow sand][DISPLAY_COLOR:6:6:1][TILE:141]
[SOIL][AQUIFER][SOIL_SAND]
[SOLID_DENSITY:1710] SCS = 90/5/5
[REACTION_CLASS:AGGREGATE]

[INORGANIC:SAND_WHITE]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SOIL_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:white sand][DISPLAY_COLOR:7:7:1][TILE:141]
[SOIL][AQUIFER][SOIL_SAND]
[SOLID_DENSITY:1710] SCS = 90/5/5
[REACTION_CLASS:AGGREGATE]

[INORGANIC:SAND_BLACK]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SOIL_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:black sand][DISPLAY_COLOR:0:0:1][TILE:141]
[SOIL][AQUIFER][SOIL_SAND]
[SOLID_DENSITY:1710] SCS = 90/5/5
[REACTION_CLASS:AGGREGATE]

[INORGANIC:SAND_RED]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SOIL_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:red sand][DISPLAY_COLOR:4:4:1][TILE:141]
[SOIL][AQUIFER][SOIL_SAND]
[SOLID_DENSITY:1710] SCS = 90/5/5
[REACTION_CLASS:AGGREGATE]

Cement and concrete materials (you could add them into any inorganic_ file)

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

[INORGANIC:CEMENT]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:STONE_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:cement][DISPLAY_COLOR:0:7:1][TILE:132]
[IS_STONE]

[INORGANIC:CONCRETE]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:STONE_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:concrete][DISPLAY_COLOR:0:7:1][TILE:132]
[IS_STONE]

The reactions. The cement making and concrete mixing. Concrete mixing has two variations: with sand and without one. The first one uses up less boulders, and the second one produces more blocks.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

[REACTION:BURN_CLINKER]
   [NAME:make cement]
   [BUILDING:KILN:CUSTOM_C]
   [REAGENT:clay:1:BOULDER:NONE:NONE:NONE]
      [HAS_MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT:FIRED_MAT]
   [REAGENT:lime:3:BOULDER:NO_SUBTYPE:NONE:NONE][REACTION_CLASS:FLUX]
   [PRODUCT:100:4:BOULDER:NONE:INORGANIC:CEMENT]
   [FUEL]
   [SKILL:SMELT]

[REACTION:CONCRETE_MAKING_SAND]
   [NAME:make concrete with sand]
   [BUILDING:CONCRETE_MIXER:CUSTOM_C]
   [REAGENT:sand:150:POWDER_MISC:NONE:NONE:NONE]
      [REACTION_CLASS:AGGREGATE]
           [DOES_NOT_DETERMINE_PRODUCT_AMOUNT]
   [REAGENT:bag1:1:BOX:NONE:NONE:NONE]
            [BAG]
           [CONTAINS:sand1]
           [PRESERVE_REAGENT]
           [DOES_NOT_DETERMINE_PRODUCT_AMOUNT]
   [REAGENT:second sand:150:POWDER_MISC:NONE:NONE:NONE]
      [REACTION_CLASS:AGGREGATE]
           [DOES_NOT_DETERMINE_PRODUCT_AMOUNT]
   [REAGENT:bag2:1:BOX:NONE:NONE:NONE]
            [BAG]
           [CONTAINS:sand2]
           [PRESERVE_REAGENT]
           [DOES_NOT_DETERMINE_PRODUCT_AMOUNT]
   [REAGENT:cement:1:BOULDER:NO_SUBTYPE:INORGANIC:CEMENT]
   [REAGENT:gravel:2:BOULDER:NO_SUBTYPE:NONE:NONE][WORTHLESS_STONE_ONLY]
   [PRODUCT:100:20:BLOCKS:NONE:INORGANIC:CONCRETE]
   [SKILL:MASONRY]

[REACTION:CONCRETE_MAKING_GRAVEL]
   [NAME:make concrete with gravel]
   [BUILDING:CONCRETE_MIXER:CUSTOM_G]
   [REAGENT:cement:1:BOULDER:NO_SUBTYPE:INORGANIC:CEMENT]
   [REAGENT:gravel:4:BOULDER:NO_SUBTYPE:NONE:NONE][WORTHLESS_STONE_ONLY]
   [PRODUCT:100:24:BLOCKS:NONE:INORGANIC:CONCRETE]
   [SKILL:MASONRY]

The declaration of reactions in the entity_default

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[PERMITTED_BUILDING:CONCRETE_MIXER]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:BURN_CLINKER]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:CONCRETE_MAKING_SAND]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:CONCRETE_MAKING_GRAVEL]

[smakemupagus]

Really interesting thoughts on the new races, I'll definitely follow, but haven't thought of too much to input yet.

I like the idea of Concrete and/or batch firing of bricks from Clay, as opposed to the current Brick Furnace.  Maybe you have to add small amounts of some colored product (e.g. cobalt for blue?) to get the brilliant colors. 

I would probably have tried something like Humans = 25% or 50% learn rate for mining but do understand picks.  In a way I do like the idea of "quarry" and "mine" buildings but don't see how to implement it as really a fun mechanic.

Elves I might have done = 0 or 1% learn rate for mining, no digging implements native to their civ, but not totally forbidden from aquiring them.  Maybe no rock blocks, but let them build from organically farmed trees and wicker.  But.. wow.. you are thinking no digging at all and no constructions?!  If nothing else this project will result in lots of dead elves, so it's got that going for it!

[Meph]

Well, I might have to give them wood-blocks, just so they can build a roof to build a bed, chair and table under. Stupid mechanics. -.- But otherwise I can buff them with other defenses, yes.

Human buildings. Design study.

Spoiler: Human Race. Game study. (click to show/hide)

Buildings
 - Scriptorium => write books
 - Libraries => train/read books
 - Gardens => train/read books
 - Potted Plant => decoration
 - Fountain => decoration
 - Chapel => pray lvl1
 - Church => pray lvl2, simple blessings
 - Cathedral => pray lvl3, higher blessings
 - Monestary => transformation to epic unarmed fighter
 - Medicus => Doctor/Plague related stuff
 - The Gauntlet => Summons Evil/Demons to fight/banish
 - Knights Order => allows good melee fighters
 - Traders Guild => enables trading permits
 - Farmers Guild => farm stuff
 - Masons Guild => stone stuff
 - Carpenters Guild => wood stuff
 - Jewelers Guild => gem stuff
 - Timberyard => tree-farming/cutting
 - Trap Engineer => better trap-comps
 - Gunsmith => guns
 - Bullet Mint => ammo for guns
 - Chemist => powder for guns
 - Quarry => produces stones
 - Mine => produces ore/gems
 - Dwarven Trader => high tech dwarven stuff (good metals?)
 - Elven Trader => high tech elven stuff (spawn friendly pets?)
 - Drow Trader => high tech drow stuff (evil things I gues?)
 - Bank => currency exchange, money/coins needed for trading
 - Holy Cross => Area Buff, temporary
 - Crucible => steel making
 - Crematory => burn refuse/vermin
 - Armory => armor upgrades
 - Weaponry => weapon upgrades
 - Storage Unit => Trading Crates from other races
 - Spawn Location => Spawning friendly creatures

Basic Idea
 - NO animal trainer (no exotic pets, only domestic ones)
 - NO miner, no picks (aboveground only)
 - NO armor/weapons enabled to the civ. (simple militia/leather armor only)
 - Good ranged weapons aviable through research. (Guns)
 - Good melee weapons/armor aviable through prayer. (Knights Order)

The humans should build a fortress and hide inside. Get industries going, defend themselves with traps, pray a lot till a Knights Order is established, ONLY then they can make good armor/melee weapons. Since no one could train melee fighting the humans could join the Knights Order for natural skills (think dwarven caste) instantly. The TechTree would be this: Altar, Pray, Church Pray, Cathedral, Pray, Knights Order, Kick Ass. As an alternative you could go this way: Mining & Trading, Chemist, Blackpowder, Guns, Ammo, Kick Ass from a distance. Most "foreign" things would be traded against hard coin from the other civs.

Caste System
 - Peasant => High farming skills
 - Monk => legendary wrestler/striker/kicker. Rare
 - Knight of the Order => high weapons/armor skills. Rare
 - Member of Trading/Mining/Farmer/Mason/Carpenter Guild.
 - Travelling Medicus => High doctor skills.

Spoiler: Elven Race. Game study. (click to show/hide)

Buildings
 - Fletchery => Special Arrows
 - Thatchery => Plant-based furniture
 - Enting => Spawn Ents
 - Ent Nursery => Upgrade Ents
 - Archery Range => Faster ranged training
 - Warriors Circle => Faster melee training
 - Herbalist => Makes special plants/instant plants from seeds
 - Smokehut => Temporary buffs, similar to music stage
 - Tree => Deco
 - Potted Plant => Deco
 - Singing Tree => Produces Wood
 - Druids Hut => Healer/Doctor caste transformation
 - Rangers Hut => Ranged caste transformation
 - Beasts Den => Spawn bears/wolves/and so on
 - Storage Unit => Trade crates with other civs
 - Natures Hall => High tech items
 - The Heart of the Forest => recycle metal gear from invaders


Basic Idea
 - NO Digging, NO picks (aboveground only)
 - NO Stones or Metal (wood only)
 - Lots of pets and friendly units
 - Lots of farming and different plant-based upgrades

Elves should mostly fight with fast bows and superior numbers through pets and ents helping to fight. You get you wood for contrsuctions from singing trees, and instead of traps you spawn living forests. With no gems, ore or stone,most of the items would be plantbased. Goblinite and other traded stuff can be turned into organic matter in the forests maw.

Castes
 - Druid => High doctor skills, healing interactions. rare
 - Ranger => higher sightrange, high ranged combat skills. rare
 - Hunter => medium ranged combat skills
 - Gatherer => medium herbalism skill
 - Herder/Beastmaster => animal trainer and ent-related skills.

Spoiler: Drow Race. Game study. (click to show/hide)

Buildings
 - Ammo Caster => Special Ammo
 - Archeologist => Dig for fossils
 - Boneyard => Recycle bones/refuse
 - Crematory => Burn refuse
 - Storage Unit => Trade crates with other civs
 - Totem => Deco
 - Bonecrafter => More bone stuff
 - Ironbone Forge => Produce Ironbone
 - Bloodsteel Forge => Produce Bloodsteel
 - Soul Forge => Produce Soul-based metals
 - Summoning Circle => Summons demons (hostile)
 - Thrall pit => Summons/upgrades thralls, flesh/bone golems
 - Shadowdancers Chambers => Melee mage transformation
 - Necromancers Chambers => Ranged mage transformation
 - Dark Temple => Recycle goblinite by sacrificing it
 - Dark Altar => Recycle citizens by sacrificing them
 - Spider Lair => Pet upgrades
 - Drider Lair => Transformation into half-drow/half-spider

Basic Idea
 - NO Smelting (no normal metals)
 - NO Farming (noself-sustainable fortresses)

Each creature would have a soul-item linked to it. Through butchery or killing this soul could be collected, and bodyparts, blood and souls can be turned into the metal industry of the drow. Woven soul-webs, blood-based steel and similar things make the materials. All kinds of bodyparts should be recycled and used, the entire industry based upon the remains of killed creatures. Drow should mostly have spiders as pets, for silk, milk and defense. The drider would be the high-tech unit, a webbing golem, so to speak.

Castes
 - Shadowdancer => fast melee unit with a few special abilities.
 - Necromancer => self explanatory
 - Shade => can hide himself
 - Drizzt => all legendary combat skills, very rare
 - Fleshwarper => high smelting/smithing skills

Just a little brainstorming I did on the road, no modding done so far.

EDIT: The humans should get a "Court Magican" in addition to the Medicus. For Alchemy, spawning Magma and such

[Urist McAddict]

I have an idea for the Alchemy thing... Historically, the alchemists tried to turn other metal into gold and tap into mistery, since dorfs are dorfs, they aren't connected to this kind of things... They want to be better fighters, but they are honourable people so it's more likely that the Alchemy would be more guided into making better material or equipment for their warriors.

They would probably study alchemy to make impossible materials for weaponry and new kind of weapons that mix magic and steel. In D'n'D we had something called mercurial weapons, they landed heavier criticals by using shifting weights of liquids inside the weapons. Gloves that would allow use of bigger weapons (i know, can't be done), learning weak spots from enemies (silver for undeads and such) making artificial legs so dwarves would be able to walk again (maybe crutches that would use lower legs instead of arms, unless hardcoded). Turning metal into gold or steel would be a waste of time, since they are master miners, they wouldn't study in ways to get them.

Chemistry... Well, i dunno how that would work for dorfs, other than refining of special ore and such, i don't see how they'd take their time on it. Don't forget that chemistry was an evolution on alchemy, where they left the magical aspect of it for a more cientific approach to it. That said, i don't think they'd have chemistry knowledge other than the ones already used (gunpowder and metallurgy).

Well, that was my penny, hope you like it.

[Meph]

Oh, yes, one question: How exactly should I mod all this ? ^^

[Urist McAddict]

Well, which part troubles you? It was only a general idea, since e.g. mercurial weaponry could be just a weapon with improved stats that would use the base weapon + quicksilver + some kind of tool to be made making it hit harder (making it take a 1+ lvl material on, steel mercurial sword bypassing welded mithril armor and such).

Weak spots would be more like giving material vulnerability to some beasts (vampire slayer, watch the Grimm show to get some ideas =P) and being able to get books made in the scriptorium (could make use of that animal dissecting skill) just like the old way creature research worked (put beast in, out goes the book).

Crutches, well, i don't have a clue on how that would work, i have completely no idea on modding, i'm a lawyer, not a programmer =P
Last time i TRIED to make an HTML page, it looked like a feast of maggots ^^

Special ores and metals could be used for the material weakness thing, having to use something with the ore to get the proper material (like ppl still uses mercury to separate gold from the dirt).

Understood or did i just made myself look even more stupid?

BTW, thx for MWDF, can't do anything real important because i have to smash every ambusher out there... 

[Meph]

Oh... sorry. I just meant this as a general "Wtf am I doing, collecting 10 pages of ideas" ^^

Also, Drow Buildings Study

[Firehawk45]

Oh... sorry. I just meant this as a general "Wtf am I doing, collecting 10 pages of ideas" ^^

Just shows how awesome the community is, in other forums, you would have had 5 arguments about different matters by this point

You wnat me to write more drow stuff? I think i have a new favourite Race

[Meph]

Well, if you want ^^ But only things that can be modded. You have seen my rough draft, and seen the buildings. Improve on that if you can/want. If you can pull of an actually ROUND summoning circle, that would be awesome ^^

[Firehawk45]

I actually have one idea, not really drow specific, only a new creature.... A evil one. One that paths to souls and tries to steal them quite strong, but nothing that kills everything on sight

[ioi101]

hehe, those drow buildings are looking very good.

For the elves (I think we've established at this point that I'm a dirty, pointy-eared, treehugger):

This is up to you obviously, but I'd rather go with no constructions. Make it a challenge race that plays very differently. If it turns out to be impossible, well it won't be hard to put them back in.

On to more specific things:

I like the idea of recycling goblinite. And why not include enemy body parts, after all elves shouldn't be butchering them - call it a "laying to rest" reaction. Perhaps two ways to make it work:

1) Take goblinite -> produce idols of Nature's favor (perhaps only a low chance to make them more valuable/less hauling) -> idols used in ceremonies to upgrade ents/elves/weapons/armor

2) Take goblinite -> random chance of producing various goodies

I like 1) alot better, but 2) is probably easier to implement. Would be nice to have material quality come into this a bit, i.e. say bronze/copper weapons armor have low chance to give you an idol, iron/steel higher, steel+ stuff even higher. Same for body parts/corpses. If possible, make it so only hostile corpses work for this... maybe only corpses with the sentient tag (is there such a thing?). Don't want the elves to be running around killing deer for their rituals lol.

For the decorations - maybe put in options to make very valuable (but otherwise crappy) wood that can then be used in decorative buildings that require alot of wood. Should make the elves happy even without beds heh.

I still like my idea of bladedancer elves and parrying daggers/swords instead of shields. But this is mostly an aesthetic difference heh. Along these lines, maybe make the warriors hall particularly good at training defensive skills - blocking and dodging, but bad at training melee skills.

For the archery yard - would be nice to have this building consume special "training arrow bundle" that are actually a toy created in the fletchery. That way you don't ever have to muck around with combat and non-combat arrows in your quiver.