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[Kanil]

I've never thought "hey this is awesome my templar plays exactly like my witch does", but I have thought "it sucks that my templar plays exactly like my witch does".

I've definitely thought "It's pretty awesome that I can use this build with a scion instead of a marauder" and am not looking forward to that no longer being the case.

Not that I consider all classes being largely identical to be desirable, but I consider it preferable to "you wanna play a non-witch necromancer? Get fucked."

[Aklyon]

Summoner is a terrible example for that, though. Witch is the only decent non-scion option, because no one else in the whole tree gets any minion nodes unless you count the area between witch/templar as templar minion nodes too. Anyone else has to spend time pathing up there around and straight into the middle of the witch area. Unless you're doing SRS only, without zombie or skeletotem meat shields.

[Kanil]

It only takes what, 5 nodes? to connect to the witch starting area. You'll always be 5 nodes behind a witch summoner, but once both characters have grabbed all the low hanging fruit, those 5 nodes become less and less valuable. It ends up a bit less efficient, but only by a bit.

[Rex_Nex]

Pretty good video on the topic by ZiggyD:

https://youtu.be/DG6bShCdADk

Like I said, don't be worried about it. Build flexibility shouldn't be a big deal to you regardless, the diversity is what's important and is what's going to improve.

[Aklyon]

2.1.0 buffs! (along with a deserved nerf to incinerate)
Also, they've booted up the markov patch noter again

[Rex_Nex]

I never really understood the whole Incinerate hype/hate - perhaps my gear wasn't good enough, but I rolled a cybil's MoM incinerator for Warbands and it wasn't as impressive as I thought. It was incredibly tanky, but the whole locked in place while casting thing coupled with actually quite poor damage output (at least on a 5l, never got a 6l that league) made the build feel pretty vulnerable - you'd be spending like twice as much time clearing a pack than you would with a good PA or 2h cyclone build.

Overall my PA character, with only 4.6k HP, 2 PA links dedicated to MF, and all my gear packed full of IIR/IIQ ended up being more successful at practically everything. It was better for MFing low level maps, could dance around high level maps safer than the incinerator could tank them, and did atziri easier because PA is ridiculously good in that fight. The only thing Incinerate seemed to have going for it was how absolutely insane it is while leveling.

[nenjin]

OOoooooohhh, melee splash buff says you.

Also some nice buffs for my summoner witch.

[Aklyon]

Best jewel.
Even if it isn't, ranged summon skeletons. Without vaal gem.

[nenjin]

Man I like most everything in the patch notes. Damage buffs for basically all skill groups (melee/ranged/spell), lots of support skill buffs. Several much needed enemy nerfs (that unique Totem boss in Kaom's Dream was fucking ridiculous), everyone gets more mana, melee skills get a fixed mana cost from Lvl 1 on.....despite burning out after a month long leveling sprint, I may have to pop in and check it out.

[Aklyon]

Contagion is interesting in a non-trap fire trap kinda way, but its certainly not a solo skill unless you want to wait around for the dot. I've gotten 3 talismans and a magic talisman so far, and they've been interesting. One increased phys damage one (29%), one increased mana one (27%), one increased chaos damage one (19%, rather helpful for contagion right now), and the magic one is +1 to number of zombies, along with 9 int and 16 mana. All before prison.

Edit: And then a unique talisman out of nowhere, holy crap. Night's Hold, Black Maw Talisman.

[Aklyon]

Meanwhile in strange and amusing ideas, someone actually made an interesting mine build.

[Azurestrike]

Wow, I'm surprised I never posted in this thread before, is there a guild or a list of names to add bay12 people into my friend list?

I usually play in the non-hardcore leagues cause my connection is very unreliable.

[Aklyon]

Yes there is a guild, its Nist Akath. We've got a couple people in it still. There used to be a namelist but it got dropped at somepoint.

[kcwong]

Yes there is a guild, its Nist Akath. We've got a couple people in it still. There used to be a namelist but it got dropped at somepoint.

I take a look at the guild stash once in a while, seems everyone's too polite to do anything to it.

... except me. I was the one who made the "HI" back then. When the league ended I merged those orbs back into the main stash.

[Aklyon]

Well, me and aristabulus usually use it to trade things, but thats in talisman atm.