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[lemon10]

Well, I want to see if the turn can be fixed. Lemon, I might add that I have something special- the ability to build an archery range and more in a short timeframe. But anyway, Vanigo, am I good on the error? Irony, I won't take your city. Same as before- drive right by it.

Meh, all of you can build counters in a short time frame, but the main use of the pegasus knights will be raiding land and taking isolated cities, where it will be hard to have a appropriate amount of forces, and hard to catch up with them as well, dervishes or cavaliers will deal with the main battles.

The only true counter to them is dragoons (calvary so they move fast, and very high damage so they can fight them with only a slight numerical advantage without any problem), but they take quite a long time to get to unless you were planning on it, and since they aren't flying (and don't have charge), they will take charge damage and won't be able to follow over water. Calvary archers also slightly work, but they are a bit too weak to do it without overwhelming numbers.

Irony, I would recommend you get involved and save Sheb (your standing guard will almost certainly be enough to make sure that doom doesn't push through and take Sheb's city, since he will want to defend his own, which is also necessary to get reinforcements to the north), otherwise Doom will get a bit too strong (since odds are pretty good that he will win the battle at the city a bit farther north as things are going now, and then will probably be able to finish taking the rest of Sheb's cities). At that point he will be pretty easily able to take your remaining city on the continent (since it will be 6 cities of peacetime production and near unlimited stone against your 1).

Also, hurry up and post Sheb/Doom.

This is a concern, but I'm actually more concerned about Sheb courting foreign powers.

I don't think that that is really that much of a concern, Doom's incoming navy will stop Kash from landing, and our real focus will still be on our island.
Plus, my main goal is to stop one of them from becoming too strong, I don't really want Sheb taking over Doom (even if Me+Kash each get a city), since he would pretty promptly turn around and eat both of our cities up (followed by your cities on the mainland).

EDIT: I should note it might be different for kash, since he is only about a turn away from Doom's cities via carrack, and could probably fight near evenly if he ported enough units over there, whereas it would take 3/4 turns for one of my units to get over to a city.

[Doomblade187]

That's assuming he survives the ships I'm throwing at him. And I think I'm actually pretty close to dragoons. Just saying.

EDIT: I think I have all the buildings needed. What am I missing?

[lemon10]

Oh, I wasn't saying he could beat you (especially since it will take him ~3/4 turns of 10 labor per turn to build a good enough navy to make sure units got over there), and even then he wouldn't be able to get a large enough advantage to take your cities without full production, but that *If* you were beaten, and kash+me got one of your cities each, he could defend it from Sheb for a very long time, whereas Sheb could take my city out pretty fast due to how long it would take to get reinforcements over there.

And I think I'm actually pretty close to dragoons. Just saying.

EDIT: I think I have all the buildings needed. What am I missing?

Wonderworks, which requires both a university and a size 6 city.

[Vanigo]

Well, now he's said that... Y'all know how much I like my mounted archers.

Dude, you may not have noticed, but mounted archers kind of suck. 5 attack just doesn't cut it anymore.

Dragoons require a cavalry yard and wonderworkers.

Doom, I expect I can fix things so your turn works, I just haven't had a chance yet.

To be more specific, fliers take half damage from non-flying melee units. I... probably should have kept that in mind when I statted up the fliers. I hate to change the rules during a game, but maybe I should go in and nerf their health anyway.

[lemon10]

Urk. I guess they are really pretty powerful (although Sky Knights ARE the only unit in the game that uses two special resources), I would prefer they weren't nerfed at all, but its not like I can stop you or anything, just don't nerf them TOO hard.

[Kashyyk]

Dude, you may not have noticed, but mounted archers kind of suck. 5 attack just doesn't cut it anymore.

So do Bowmen, but Mounted Archers have the benefit of high movement. And until I get the right buildings, what am I supposed to do with huge amounts of wood and horses?

[lemon10]

He is saying that its like throwing spearmen at dervishes, yes it will work at a sufficiently high number, but it isn't ever a smart idea (since while you would have a good chance at beating 2 dervishes with 10 spearmen, you would have to spend 4 times the labor, 5 times the building time, and 5 times the upkeep).

You can get cavalry archers next turn however (just build a bowyer in your city with a cavalry yard and foundry), which stand a significantly better (but still not good) chance.

[Kashyyk]

And will be a good stand in until I acquire Dragoons.

[Doomblade187]

Oh, so I guess I can just build a bowyer until I get the wonderworks, then. Thanks.

[lemon10]

Sheb: Hurry up and post.
Doom: You can guess pretty easily what exactly will happen on your turn, it not running sucks, but its not like there is anything complicated that will happen.
Vanigo: You should hurry up and fix it so doom can post his turn without any concerns.

[Sheb]

Don't you know the magic word?

[Sheb]

Spoiler: Orders (click to show/hide)

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      <unittype code="pike"/>
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    <cityorder type="rUnit" cityid="13">
      <unittype code="mage"/>
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    <cityorder type="addPop" cityid="0"/>
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      <targetunit unitid="96"/>
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    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="106" x="20" y="8">
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    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="110" x="18" y="6">
      <step dx="1" dy="1"/>
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      <step dx="1" dy="1"/>
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[lemon10]

Ah, sorry for being rude. 
It just a little hard to avoid when trying to be forceful and trying to get people to post, especially after the first time.

[Vanigo]

You know how, sometimes when you're coding, you sometimes put an i where you should have put a j? And sometimes it's in an obscure little piece of code that doesn't come up very often? Yeah, Doom's turn works fine now.
Also, flying units nerfed, generally on the order of 4 hp.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Illyria:

29 food used to gain 1 free population
30 food used to gain 1 free population
Tile (7,9) claimed
Pegasus Stables built in Thororaisi
Carrack raised in a?µa
Halberdiers raised in Gorosthaen
Temple built in Riam
Smithy built in Pegaus Town
1st Imperial Transport Group moves to (10,8)
Illyria army 112 moves to (7,8)
1st Militia moves to (10,6)
1st Imperial SDG moves to (10,8)


Tesunad:

36 food used to gain 1 free population
37 food used to gain 1 free population
Tile (2,6) claimed
Quarry built at (2,7)
Quarry built at (1,7)
City Xim built at (8,13)
Hanging Gardens built in Shinute
Shipyard built in Burran
Knights raised in Naite
Army Tesunad army 115 created
2nd Transport moved to Tesunad army 115
3rd Nomad Archers moved to Tesunad army 115
2nd Transport moved to 3rd Tesuni Fleet
2nd Nomad Archers moved to Tesunad army 115
1st Nomad Archers moved to Tesunad army 115
2nd Transport moved to 2nd Tesuni Fleet
3rd Tesuni Fleet disbanded
Tesunad army 115 moves to (7,16)
Battle fought at (9,16):
   Arcadia army 113 attacking (1 units)
   4th Tesuni Fleet, 2nd Tesuni Fleet defending (3 units)
   HMS Suncatcher destroyed
   2nd Transport destroyed
   1st Transport destroyed
   Attackers win
1st Tesuni Fleet moves to (23,20)
4th Tesuni Fleet moves to (20,18)
1st Tesuni Army moves to (6,14)


Arcadia:

Tile (18,15) claimed
Knights raised in The Peaceful Town
Galleon raised in The Tranquil City
Halberdiers (71) moved to Arcadian Home Guard
Arcadia army 82 disbanded
Battle fought at (9,16):
   Arcadia army 113 attacking (1 units)
   4th Tesuni Fleet, 2nd Tesuni Fleet defending (3 units)
   HMS Suncatcher destroyed
   2nd Transport destroyed
   1st Transport destroyed
   Attackers win
Arcadian Avengers moves to (20,8)
Travel Group 1 moves to (18,14)
Arcadia army 101 moves to (20,11)


Tarr:

33 food used to gain 1 free population
Farm built at (26,15)
Farm built at (28,17)
Fishing Village built at (24,9)
Wonderworkers built in Gall
Dervishes raised in Tarr
Training Field built in Sall
Rill grows to size 3
Training Field built in Voll
Tarr army 2 moves to (23,15)


Dunottar:

28 food used to gain 1 free population
29 food used to gain 1 free population
Farm built at (15,6)
Pikemen raised in Craignish Castle
Magicians raised in Dunottar's Revenge
Dunottar Castle grows to size 6
Magicians (96) moved to Dunottar army 114
Dunottar army 114 moves to (18,6)
Dunottar army 111 moves to (19,7)
Dunottar army 110 moves to (19,7)
Dunottar army 106 moves to (19,7)

Spoiler: Combat log (click to show/hide)

Battle fought at (9,16):
   Arcadia army 113 attacking (1 units)
   4th Tesuni Fleet, 2nd Tesuni Fleet defending (3 units)

Turn 1
Turn 2
Turn 3
   Galleon (95) attacks HMS Suncatcher for 7 damage
   HMS Suncatcher attacks Galleon (95) for 4 damage
Turn 4
   Galleon (95) attacks HMS Suncatcher for 3 damage
   HMS Suncatcher attacks Galleon (95) for 1 damage
Turn 5
   Galleon (95) attacks HMS Suncatcher but fails to do damage
   HMS Suncatcher attacks Galleon (95) for 1 damage
Turn 6
   Galleon (95) attacks HMS Suncatcher for 1 damage
   HMS Suncatcher attacks Galleon (95) but fails to do damage
Turn 7
   Galleon (95) attacks HMS Suncatcher for 7 damage
   HMS Suncatcher destroyed
Turn 8
Turn 9
   Galleon (95) attacks 2nd Transport for 4 damage
Turn 10
   Galleon (95) attacks 1st Transport but fails to do damage
Turn 11
   Galleon (95) attacks 2nd Transport for 2 damage
   1st Transport attacks Galleon (95) but fails to do damage
   2nd Transport attacks Galleon (95) but fails to do damage
Turn 12
   Galleon (95) attacks 2nd Transport for 7 damage
   2nd Transport destroyed
   1st Transport attacks Galleon (95) but fails to do damage
Turn 13
   Galleon (95) attacks 1st Transport for 1 damage
   1st Transport attacks Galleon (95) but fails to do damage
Turn 14
   Galleon (95) attacks 1st Transport for 4 damage
   1st Transport attacks Galleon (95) but fails to do damage
Turn 15
   Galleon (95) attacks 1st Transport for 3 damage
   1st Transport attacks Galleon (95) but fails to do damage
Turn 16
   Galleon (95) attacks 1st Transport for 7 damage
   1st Transport destroyed
   Attackers win

Game state

[Doomblade187]

Well, Sheb's defenses are proving very resilient. Vanigo, do higher-level skills negate lower-level skills, such as in the case of chargebreak and charge? Knights have charge three, halberdiers have chargebreak 2, so I was wondering.

Spoiler: Arcadia: the war has just begun. (click to show/hide)

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