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[Johnfalcon99977]

Limiting how much you can do in a turn is, well, the entire point. The limit may be too low, but that's another matter. Labor is the "you can do this much stuff in a turn" resource. Money's more specialized, used primarily for units.

And thats the reason I don't like it so much. It really limits you to barely any actions a turn, because you get so little labour a turn and you literally need Labour for EVERYTHING. You need to spend an entire turn to just build a single building or unit early on for most things, which I think is completely arbitrary. But thats just my two cents so far. But thats pretty much my only gripe with the system so far Everything else is pretty fine. A bit generic, sure, but no where near bad.

[Vanigo]

Also, I might add that money gets pretty scarce when you have as many units as me on the field. With practically no money-producing structures.

I was wondering if you'd noticed that...

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Illyria:

18 food used to gain 1 free population
Tile (6,10) claimed
Tile (7,10) claimed
Tile (6,9) claimed
Pikemen raised in Gorosthaen
Granary built in Riam
Illyria army 19 renamed to 1st Grand Regiment
Illyria army 22 renamed to 2nd Grand Regiment
1st Grand Regiment moves to (8,5)
2nd Grand Regiment moves to (8,7)


Tesunad:

19 food used to gain 1 free population
20 food used to gain 1 free population
Tile (5,20) claimed
Farm built at (4,12)
Road built at (5,13)
Horsemen raised in Hatoyan
Horsemen raised in Naite
Horsemen (22) renamed to 1st Ashigaru Cavalry
Tesunad army 1 moves to (4,10)


Arcadia:

17 food used to gain 1 free population
Tile (13,10) claimed
Marketplace built in The Tranquil City
Palisade built in Stonehaven
Arcadia army 21 moves to (18,11)
Arcadia army 8 moves to (21,10)
Arcadia army 14 moves to (16,8)
Arcadia army 7 moves to (12,9)
Arcadia army 12 moves to (23,20)
Arcadia army 10 moves to (20,10)
Arcadia army 6 has razed Dunottar's village on (17,10)!


Tarr:

18 food used to gain 1 free population
Tile (27,19) claimed
Tile (27,20) claimed
Palisade built in Tarr
Mystical Glade built in Gall


Dunottar:

18 food used to gain 1 free population
Tile (16,5) claimed
Palisade built in Craignish Castle
Axemen raised in Dunottar Castle
Dunottar's Revenge grows to size 4
Axemen (17) moved to Dunottar army 3
Dunottar army 18 disbanded
Axemen (17) renamed to 1st Axe Regiment
1st Axe Regiment renamed to 1st Axe Regiment
Dunottar army 3 renamed to Southern Guard
Arcadia has razed your village on (17,10)!

Game state

[Sheb]

Here I go. Waiting for ya Doomy. Ima gonna crsh your puny soldiers.

Vanigo, I'm flying away to the middle of nowhere. I should have internet access, but I can't promise it. Just do my turn if I'm the last one that need to post.

Screw this, I asked Azthor to manage my turns if I can't do it. That way you still got a player, even if I don't get any internet.

Spoiler: Grand Duchy of Dunottar (click to show/hide)

<playerturn player="Sheb">
  <tileorders>
    <tileorder type="bRoad" x="19" y="7"/>
  </tileorders>
  <cityorders>
    <cityorder type="addPop" cityid="13"/>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="12">
      <building code="market"/>
    </cityorder>
  </cityorders>
  <armyorgorders>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="24" x="18" y="4">
      <targetunit unitid="23"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="28"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="dArmy" armyid="24" x="18" y="4"/>
    <armyorgorder type="rnArmy" armyid="28" x="18" y="4">
      <newname>Right Wing</newname>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="rnUnit" armyid="28" x="18" y="4">
      <targetunit unitid="27"/>
      <newname>2nd Axemen</newname>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="rnUnit" armyid="28" x="18" y="4">
      <targetunit unitid="23"/>
      <newname>3rd Axemen</newname>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="rnArmy" armyid="3" x="19" y="7">
      <newname>Left Wing</newname>
    </armyorgorder>
  </armyorgorders>
  <armyorders>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="28" x="18" y="4">
      <step dx="-1" dy="0"/>
      <step dx="-1" dy="0"/>
    </armyorder>
  </armyorders>
</playerturn>

[Johnfalcon99977]

Spoiler: Grand Dukedom of Illyria (click to show/hide)

<playerturn player="Johnfalcon99977">
  <tileorders/>
  <cityorders>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="4">
      <building code="smith"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="addPop" cityid="11"/>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="5">
      <building code="arcR"/>
    </cityorder>
  </cityorders>
  <armyorgorders/>
  <armyorders>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="22" x="8" y="7">
      <step dx="0" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="0" dy="-1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="25" x="8" y="9">
      <step dx="0" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="0" dy="-1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="19" x="8" y="5">
      <step dx="0" dy="-1"/>
    </armyorder>
  </armyorders>
</playerturn>

[Vanigo]

I'm going to go ahead and bump this.

[Doomblade187]

Spoiler: Arcadia (click to show/hide)

<playerturn player="Doomblade187">
  <tileorders>
    <tileorder type="tClaim" x="22" y="21"/>
  </tileorders>
  <cityorders>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="6">
      <building code="market"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="10">
      <building code="smith"/>
    </cityorder>
  </cityorders>
  <armyorgorders/>
  <armyorders>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="14" x="16" y="8">
      <step dx="0" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="-1" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="1" dy="-1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="6" x="17" y="10">
      <step dx="0" dy="-1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="conq" armyid="21" x="18" y="11"/>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="10" x="20" y="10">
      <step dx="1" dy="-1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="conq" armyid="8" x="21" y="10"/>
  </armyorders>
</playerturn>

Sheb- I outnumber you and am working on removing your supply lines. Surrendering would be in your favor. My lancers are breaking through. I'm sure we could organize a peaceful transfer of power. IronyOwl, if I could request your assistance should Sheb not cooperate, would you mind taking care of that one island of his? There aren't any troops there, and it's only one tile, so I'm sure it wouldn't be too much trouble, but I don't have a barge up there. Would you mind helping me? You would, of course, keep the island.

[Vanigo]

Waiting on IronyOwl and Kasshyk.

[Kashyyk]

Spoiler: The Empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)

<playerturn player="Kashyyk">
  <tileorders>
    <tileorder type="bCity" x="5" y="21">
      <cityname>Shinute</cityname>
    </tileorder>
    <tileorder type="tClaim" x="5" y="15"/>
  </tileorders>
  <cityorders>
    <cityorder type="rUnit" cityid="7">
      <unittype code="hmen"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="rUnit" cityid="3">
      <unittype code="hmen"/>
    </cityorder>
  </cityorders>
  <armyorgorders>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="5" x="4" y="10">
      <targetunit unitid="5"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="1"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="dArmy" armyid="5" x="4" y="10"/>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="27" x="7" y="16">
      <targetunit unitid="26"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="23"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="dArmy" armyid="27" x="7" y="16"/>
    <armyorgorder type="rnUnit" armyid="23" x="7" y="16">
      <targetunit unitid="26"/>
      <newname>2nd Ashigaru Cavalry</newname>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="rnUnit" armyid="26" x="5" y="12">
      <targetunit unitid="25"/>
      <newname>3rd Ashigaru Cavalry</newname>
    </armyorgorder>
  </armyorgorders>
  <armyorders>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="1" x="4" y="10">
      <step dx="-1" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="1" dy="-1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="23" x="7" y="16">
      <step dx="1" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="0" dy="-1"/>
    </armyorder>
  </armyorders>
</playerturn>

Sorry, been busy

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

Posting to watch make sure I don't lose this thread in the jumble of others.

[IronyOwl]

Sorry again.

Spoiler: Kingdom of Tarr (click to show/hide)

<playerturn player="IronyOwl">
  <tileorders/>
  <cityorders>
    <cityorder type="addPop" cityid="14"/>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="1">
      <building code="eng"/>
    </cityorder>
  </cityorders>
  <armyorgorders/>
  <armyorders/>
</playerturn>

IronyOwl, if I could request your assistance should Sheb not cooperate, would you mind taking care of that one island of his? There aren't any troops there, and it's only one tile, so I'm sure it wouldn't be too much trouble, but I don't have a barge up there. Would you mind helping me? You would, of course, keep the island.

Now would probably be a better time to mention that you probably shouldn't claim lands until we've finished negotiating over them. You still haven't explained what this mythical middle is that you're leaving me.

[Vanigo]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Illyria:

18 food used to gain 1 free population
Smithy built in Thororaisi
a?µa grows to size 4
Archery Range built in Gorosthaen
Illyria army 25 moves to (8,7)
Illyria army 19 moves to (8,4)
Illyria army 22 moves to (8,5)


Tesunad:

20 food used to gain 1 free population
21 food used to gain 1 free population
City Shinute built at (5,21)
Tile (5,15) claimed
Horsemen raised in Hatoyan
Horsemen raised in Naite
Transport moved to Tesunad army 1
Tesunad army 5 disbanded
Horsemen (26) moved to Tesunad army 23
Tesunad army 27 disbanded
Horsemen (26) renamed to 2nd Ashigaru Cavalry
Horsemen (25) renamed to 3rd Ashigaru Cavalry
Tesunad army 23 moves to (8,14)
Tesunad army 1 moves to (4,8)


Arcadia:

17 food used to gain 1 free population
Tile (22,21) claimed
Marketplace built in The Peaceful Town
Smithy built in Stonehaven
Arcadia army 14 moves to (16,5)
Arcadia army 10 moves to (21,9)
Arcadia army 6 moves to (17,9)
Arcadia army 21 has razed Dunottar's village on (18,11)!
Arcadia army 8 has razed Dunottar's village on (21,10)!


Tarr:

19 food used to gain 1 free population
19 food used to gain 1 free population
Sall grows to size 3
Engineer's Guild built in Tarr


Dunottar:

18 food used to gain 1 free population
Road built at (19,7)
Dunottar's Revenge grows to size 5
Marketplace built in Craignish Castle
Axemen (23) moved to Dunottar army 28
Dunottar army 24 disbanded
Dunottar army 28 renamed to Right Wing
Axemen (27) renamed to 2nd Axemen
Axemen (23) renamed to 3rd Axemen
Dunottar army 3 renamed to Left Wing
Right Wing moves to (16,4)
Arcadia has razed your village on (18,11)!
Arcadia has razed your village on (21,10)!

Game state

[Kashyyk]

Spoiler: The Empire of Tesunad (click to show/hide)

<playerturn player="Kashyyk">
  <tileorders>
    <tileorder type="bImp" x="5" y="15">
      <improvement code="farm"/>
    </tileorder>
    <tileorder type="bImp" x="5" y="20">
      <improvement code="farm"/>
    </tileorder>
    <tileorder type="bCity" x="1" y="8">
      <cityname>Ayikke</cityname>
    </tileorder>
    <tileorder type="tClaim" x="8" y="14"/>
  </tileorders>
  <cityorders>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="7">
      <building code="market"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="3">
      <building code="market"/>
    </cityorder>
  </cityorders>
  <armyorgorders>
    <armyorgorder type="rnUnit" armyid="29" x="5" y="12">
      <targetunit unitid="28"/>
      <newname>4th Ashigaru Cavalry</newname>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="mUnit" armyid="29" x="5" y="12">
      <targetunit unitid="28"/>
      <secondarmy armyid="26"/>
    </armyorgorder>
    <armyorgorder type="dArmy" armyid="29" x="5" y="12"/>
    <armyorgorder type="rnUnit" armyid="30" x="7" y="16">
      <targetunit unitid="29"/>
      <newname>5th Ashugaru Cavalry</newname>
    </armyorgorder>
  </armyorgorders>
  <armyorders>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="26" x="5" y="12">
      <step dx="0" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="0" dy="-1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="23" x="8" y="14">
      <step dx="0" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="0" dy="-1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="1" x="4" y="8">
      <step dx="0" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="0" dy="-1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="30" x="7" y="16">
      <step dx="0" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="-1" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="-1" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="0" dy="-1"/>
    </armyorder>
  </armyorders>
</playerturn>

[Vanigo]

By the way, little request: Could everyone please do a quick writeup of their take on the situation and their current plans? I'm sure I need to do some serious balance work, and I'd like to hear how everyone thinks things are working out.

[Sheb]

Sorry, but that is simply not happening. For all your bravado, you are running out of money pretty fast. You simply can't afford any more troops, and if you don't capture one of my city pretty fast you'll have to start disbanding those lancers of yours in a few turns.

I will accept a peace if you hand back Stonehaven and nothing else.

Spoiler: GrandDuchy Of Dunottar (click to show/hide)

<playerturn player="Sheb">
  <tileorders>
    <tileorder type="bImp" x="16" y="2">
      <improvement code="farm"/>
    </tileorder>
  </tileorders>
  <cityorders>
    <cityorder type="rUnit" cityid="0">
      <unittype code="pike"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="addPop" cityid="12"/>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="13">
      <building code="trnF"/>
    </cityorder>
  </cityorders>
  <armyorgorders/>
  <armyorders>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="28" x="16" y="4">
      <step dx="0" dy="1"/>
    </armyorder>
  </armyorders>
</playerturn>

[Doomblade187]

Spoiler: Arcadia (click to show/hide)

<playerturn player="Doomblade187">
  <tileorders>
    <tileorder type="bCity" x="22" y="21">
      <cityname>The Waterworks</cityname>
    </tileorder>
    <tileorder type="bRoad" x="16" y="18"/>
    <tileorder type="bRoad" x="15" y="19"/>
  </tileorders>
  <cityorders>
    <cityorder type="rUnit" cityid="10">
      <unittype code="axem"/>
    </cityorder>
    <cityorder type="bBld" cityid="6">
      <building code="mBlk"/>
    </cityorder>
  </cityorders>
  <armyorgorders/>
  <armyorders>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="7" x="12" y="9">
      <step dx="1" dy="0"/>
      <step dx="1" dy="0"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="14" x="16" y="5">
      <step dx="1" dy="1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="6" x="17" y="9">
      <step dx="-1" dy="-1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="21" x="18" y="11">
      <step dx="-1" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="0" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="-1" dy="-1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="8" x="21" y="10">
      <step dx="0" dy="-1"/>
    </armyorder>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="10" x="21" y="9">
      <step dx="-1" dy="-1"/>
    </armyorder>
  </armyorders>
</playerturn>

Sheb, I'm sorry to burst your bubble here, but I stopped losing money a bit ago. As a matter of fact, I have gained the capability to field another unit of axemen. IronyOwl, as to the middle, I mean the land between the cities of Dunnottar and Stonehaven.