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[Neonivek]

I don't know... all you have to do to shoot down the "Blizzard is better" boat is to show the character models and armor models for both males and females.

-Males who are husky brawny armored folk
-females who are willowy with armor meant to show off their body.

Blizzard was never good with the steriotypical characters. Valve however was.

In fact blizzard is SO bad with what you are talking about I question if you mistyped it... I mean Diablo 2, Warcraft 3, World of Warcraft... even Diablo 3.

I'd find a women in a suit of practical full plate far more attractive than one in a "breast" plate for example

Oddly enough of all my favorite women ever to don armor in a movie, tvshow, or videogame... the ones I actually respected were all ones with legitimate armor. Though it isn't that hard given that I don't think I have seen a well developed "breast" platemail female... While the ones with legitimate armor have all been well developed characters.

It seems like the only way a character can survive the "Breast plate" is by being an important character so much so that they avoid the sex appeal zone.

It is almost like being sexy is a replacement for having character.

[kaijyuu]

When I mentioned Blizzard I meant in the entire spectrum of game design, not storytelling and characterization. Hell, they're one of the absolute worst storytellers in the entire gaming industry! But they do a lot of gameplay innovation; starcraft was the first notable RTS to have different factions that weren't mirrors of each other, for example. I suppose mentioning them in that way was off topic, though.

It is almost like being sexy is a replacement for having character.

Ding ding!


Side note: Another good video on the subject I found while looking up that other one.

[penguinofhonor]

I'd like to point out that Diablo 3 is way better than the average game, showing that Blizzard's probably improving to at least some extent. I picked a barbarian, saw a huge muscular dude, and then switched to the female barbarian to see how ridiculous she seemed in contrast. To my surprise, she's a huge muscular woman. I'm not sure how the other classes measure up though, or how the female barbarian looks in different armors from the default.

[MaximumZero]

So, I was typing in the sad thread, and I got to wonder...

Can I make a Kickstarter to turn my daughter into a ninja?

[Neonivek]

So, I was typing in the sad thread, and I got to wonder...

Can I make a Kickstarter to turn my daughter into a ninja?

No. They specifically have a rule against that.

[MaximumZero]

So, I was typing in the sad thread, and I got to wonder...

Can I make a Kickstarter to turn my daughter into a ninja?

No. They specifically have a rule against that.

Well, damn. Y U HAET NINJAS, KICKSTARTER!?

[Neonivek]

Odd second video.

It kinda forgot the ultimate mother videogame character of Sophitia whos entire point was how far she would go for her children.

But I assume he means more in focus then in fighting games where often you have to read in order to know what the heck they are doing.

Also NO! a game where a mother has to escort her children across a war torn country would be a terrible game (DANG IT! Escort quest: The Game)

Also I think the second video kinda lost itself in the topic as it kinda enters the world of "They forgot the topic didn't they?" especially when they got to Samus (Ignoring other M which the video does too) who like Ridley was considered a great female character because she was a great "character". Yet he somehow forgot his original "great 'female' character" aspect...

[kaijyuu]

Not all escort quests are terrible. Just most. Resident Evil 4 was pretty okay from what I heard, and it's similar in theme (escort + extremely hostile environment).


Though yeah I can definitely see it being difficult to actually sympathize with the kids in such a hypothetical game. Most video game players would probably feed them to zombies or something for amusement.

[UltraValican]

I don't know... all you have to do to shoot down the "Blizzard is better" boat is to show the character models and armor models for both males and females.

-Males who are husky brawny armored folk
-females who are willowy with armor meant to show off their body.

Blizzard was never good with the steriotypical characters. Valve however was.

In fact blizzard is SO bad with what you are talking about I question if you mistyped it... I mean Diablo 2, Warcraft 3, World of Warcraft... even Diablo 3.

I'd find a women in a suit of practical full plate far more attractive than one in a "breast" plate for example

Oddly enough of all my favorite women ever to don armor in a movie, tvshow, or videogame... the ones I actually respected were all ones with legitimate armor. Though it isn't that hard given that I don't think I have seen a well developed "breast" platemail female... While the ones with legitimate armor have all been well developed characters.

It seems like the only way a character can survive the "Breast plate" is by being an important character so much so that they avoid the sex appeal zone.

It is almost like being sexy is a replacement for having character.

I disagree, if there is one thing I dislike about the whole "sexualization of women in media" ordeal, its the belief that a character with sex appeal can't be important, or can't be a well written character. There are PLENTY of female characters that have sex appeal(or at least an attempt at it, see example), but are still fairly well written. See, most of the female leads in the Disgaea series. Hell, contrary to beleif JRPGS in general have some of the best female characters.

 

When I mentioned Blizzard I meant in the entire spectrum of game design, not storytelling and characterization. Hell, they're one of the absolute worst storytellers in the entire gaming industry! But they do a lot of gameplay innovation; starcraft was the first notable RTS to have different factions that weren't mirrors of each other, for example. I suppose mentioning them in that way was off topic, though.

The problem with that is that(unless its a MAJOR plot point), a character's gender has almost nothing to do with their role in the story. Jaina Proudmoore(for instance) would have worked just fine if she was male. Your initial post mentioning blizzard complains about character models. Men and Women(Generally speaking) have different builds. The fact you can't play as a burly woman or a pencil neck man isn't so much a sexism issue, but lazy game design.

[penguinofhonor]

Lazy game design that just so happens to conform perfectly to gender stereotypes, create two fantasies that are both targeted at men, and doesn't really appeal to women at all? Seems like a sexism issue to me.

This is lazy game design, but it goes unpunished when compared to other types of laziness because of sexism.

[UltraValican]

Lazy game design that just so happens to conform perfectly to gender stereotypes, create two fantasies that are both targeted at men, and doesn't really appeal to women at all? Seems like a sexism issue to me.

This is lazy game design, but it goes unpunished when compared to other types of laziness because of sexism.

1.I'd hardly call "not being able to play a burly woman" an issue. Women getting stoned from fleeing their rapist husbands, or being killed simply for being raped is an issue.
2. I fail to see how not having something present means your opposed to it. Thats like saying "this movie doesn't have any black peple in it so it must be a racist piece of shit". I simply don't understand that line of logic.

[Skyrunner]

On that note, in Korean MMORPGs it's mixed, I think.
Sometimes advert it(Mabinogi, DFO), sometimes they ignore it (Maplestory), sometimes they follow it to a T (Linage and every single other 3D game that's like WOWarcraft but 'better').

[penguinofhonor]

I'd hardly call "not being able to play a burly woman" an issue. Women getting stoned from fleeing their rapist husbands, or being killed simply for being raped is an issue.

Don't just point to bigger issues like they make smaller ones go away. We can deal with both at the same time.

I fail to see how not having something present means your opposed to it. Thats like saying "this movie doesn't have any black peple in it so it must be a racist piece of shit". I simply don't understand that line of logic.

It's rarely an argument of a specific piece of media. It's more along the lines of "The vast majority of movies released in the last half a century have had disproportionately few black characters, mostly confined to small and token roles." Specific examples should be used to show a larger trend. I could probably point out a couple movies with shitty male characters, but most movies these days are going to have powerful and well-written male characters in leading roles.

[UltraValican]

I'd hardly call "not being able to play a burly woman" an issue. Women getting stoned from fleeing their rapist husbands, or being killed simply for being raped is an issue.

Don't just point to bigger issues like they make smaller ones go away. We can deal with both at the same time.

I fail to see how not having something present means your opposed to it. Thats like saying "this movie doesn't have any black peple in it so it must be a racist piece of shit". I simply don't understand that line of logic.

It's rarely an argument of a specific piece of media. It's more along the lines of "The vast majority of movies released in the last half a century have had disproportionately few black characters, mostly confined to small and token roles." Specific examples should be used to show a larger trend. I could probably point out a couple movies with shitty male characters, but most movies these days are going to have powerful and well-written male characters in leading roles.

1. I'm not trying to make the smaller one go away, I'm saying its not much of an issue. But you are correct
2. (It wouldn't be that hard most movies are shit these days)I agree. A strong male lead is easy to find in cinema ,but movies that have a protagonist that just happens to be female, rather a female lead if you catch my drift..

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Not trying to get the last word, but I think we've derailed both threads long enough. Lets just agree to disagree.

[G-Flex]

The Tex Murphy funding succeeded with slightly over 135% of the goal, meeting all stretch goals and then some. That's right, we're getting a new FMV adventure game in (probably) 2013. This is going to be glorious.