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GavJ

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Can you atom smash huge animals in cages?
« on: April 26, 2012, 03:41:55 pm »
As it says on the tin.  Do cages make creature weight no longer matter for bridge operation?  I can't think of an easy enough way to test this quickly, since I have no such animals in my saves.  So... forum thread.

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Re: Can you atom smash huge animals in cages?
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2012, 03:54:33 pm »
Dump the cage, with a dump activity zone under the smasher.

Pull the lever.

I recently eliminated 30 kittens at once this way.

(It felt good too.)



I also have giant lions I can test on if you want.  I think I have a lead cage as well.
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Re: Can you atom smash huge animals in cages?
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2012, 04:20:48 pm »
I think its size, not weight that determines if it will work.
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Re: Can you atom smash huge animals in cages?
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2012, 04:54:21 pm »
Quote from: wierd on April 26, 2012, 03:54:33 pm
Dump the cage, with a dump activity zone under the smasher.

Pull the lever.

I recently eliminated 30 kittens at once this way.

(It felt good too.)



I also have giant lions I can test on if you want.  I think I have a lead cage as well.

No, what I'm saying is, let's assume you have a rutherer, in a cage.  If you let him out of the cage, and then try to atom smash, it will break your bridge.

What I want to know is, if you keep him in the cage, and just smash the whole cage, will it work?  I don't mind losing the cage.
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Re: Can you atom smash huge animals in cages?
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2012, 05:13:33 pm »
yup
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Re: Can you atom smash huge animals in cages?
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2012, 05:18:49 pm »
Dwarf fortress threads can sound so.... unethical.
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Re: Can you atom smash huge animals in cages?
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2012, 06:04:29 pm »
Quote from: Hokan on April 26, 2012, 05:18:49 pm
Dwarf fortress threads can sound so.... unethical.
it would be unethical if this wasn't the bay12 forums.
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Re: Can you atom smash huge animals in cages?
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2012, 09:31:06 pm »

Quote from: Hokan on April 26, 2012, 05:18:49 pm
Dwarf fortress threads can sound so.... unethical.

Really? allow me to point you to the thread on dwarven daycare, I'm sure that will give you a warm fuzzy feeling to help cheer you up  ;) http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=91093.0
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Re: Can you atom smash huge animals in cages?
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2012, 09:55:59 pm »
Quote from: GavJ on April 26, 2012, 04:54:21 pm
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No, what I'm saying is, let's assume you have a rutherer, in a cage.  If you let him out of the cage, and then try to atom smash, it will break your bridge.

What I want to know is, if you keep him in the cage, and just smash the whole cage, will it work?  I don't mind losing the cage.

I just verified that creatures too large to be smashed under a bridge CAN be smashed if they are caged, by embarking and testing it (domestic elephants!).
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Re: Can you atom smash huge animals in cages?
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2012, 02:13:17 am »
Quote from: Urist Da Vinci on April 26, 2012, 09:55:59 pm
Quote from: GavJ on April 26, 2012, 04:54:21 pm
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No, what I'm saying is, let's assume you have a rutherer, in a cage.  If you let him out of the cage, and then try to atom smash, it will break your bridge.

What I want to know is, if you keep him in the cage, and just smash the whole cage, will it work?  I don't mind losing the cage.

I just verified that creatures too large to be smashed under a bridge CAN be smashed if they are caged, by embarking and testing it (domestic elephants!).
Huh. Well, that's interesting.
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Re: Can you atom smash huge animals in cages?
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2012, 02:42:59 am »
Quote from: JackOSpades on April 26, 2012, 09:31:06 pm

Quote from: Hokan on April 26, 2012, 05:18:49 pm
Dwarf fortress threads can sound so.... unethical.

Really? allow me to point you to the thread on dwarven daycare, I'm sure that will give you a warm fuzzy feeling to help cheer you up  ;) http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=91093.0

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Re: Can you atom smash huge animals in cages?
« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2012, 02:46:05 am »
So... Putting a huge creature in a cage allows you to crush it?

Urist McEngineer: Sir, we have the Giant Sperm Whale Husk right where we want it! What shall we do?

Urist McOverseer: Release the atom smasher! Full throttle!

Urist McEngineer: But sir, that will shatter the mechanism and splinter the bridge! What else can we do?

Urist McOverseer: Hmm... Aha! Let's put a cage made of the strongest metal we can find around it! Obviously putting it in a cage of solid Adamantine will help kill this already nigh indestructible beast!

Urist McEngineer: Brilliant! I'll send for the smiths to make one right away!


DF logic  :P
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Re: Can you atom smash huge animals in cages?
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2012, 04:26:54 am »
Quote from: Lordraymond on April 27, 2012, 02:46:05 am
So... Putting a huge creature in a cage allows you to crush it?

Urist McEngineer: Sir, we have the Giant Sperm Whale Husk right where we want it! What shall we do?

Urist McOverseer: Release the atom smasher! Full throttle!

Urist McEngineer: But sir, that will shatter the mechanism and splinter the bridge! What else can we do?

Urist McOverseer: Hmm... Aha! Let's put a cage made of the strongest metal we can find around it! Obviously putting it in a cage of solid Adamantine will help kill this already nigh indestructible beast!

Urist McEngineer: Brilliant! I'll send for the smiths to make one right away!


DF logic  :P

Any dwarf worth their salt will rip a wooden cage that held a kitten from an elves hand, stuff a sperm whale inside and then atom smash the sperm whale.

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Re: Can you atom smash huge animals in cages?
« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2012, 09:34:44 am »
Quote from: coolio678 on April 26, 2012, 06:04:29 pm
Quote from: Hokan on April 26, 2012, 05:18:49 pm
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Re: Can you atom smash huge animals in cages?
« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2012, 11:37:45 am »
Original motivation was to come up with an extremely simple way to deal with clowns, btw, for times when I am feeling cheat-y and just want to do some amusing project with them or their home, without much challenge.

1) Big long hall full of stupid numbers of cage traps
2) open the door
3) designate all the cages you don't want to be placed in a stockpile under a smasher
4) smash
5) proceed with amusing projects
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