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[Meistermoxx]

Is it?

[EmperorJon]

You're asking this.
On the Dwarf Fortress forums.
What answer do you really expect?



I'm not sure from a game point of view. Probably. Check the wiki?

[Meistermoxx]

You're asking this.
On the Dwarf Fortress forums.
What answer do you really expect?



I'm not sure from a game point of view. Probably. Check the wiki?

Empathy - Might increase chance of persuading people to Join you.

It says might, which helps alot. (not at all).

So thats why i ask.

[FritzPL]

Empathy and Social Awareness are very useful skills, as it is not easy to train them. I suggest you always put at least one point in each.

Musicality, Creativity, Patience and Linguistic Ability are completely useless, feel free to remove all points from them.

[Meistermoxx]

Empathy and Social Awareness are very useful skills, as it is not easy to train them. I suggest you always put at least one point in each.

Musicality, Creativity, Patience and Linguistic Ability are completely useless, feel free to remove all points from them.

i always add one point to social, to have 3 meatshields instead of 2.

but what us empathy used for?

[i2amroy]

Empathy and Social Awareness are very useful skills, as it is not easy to train them. I suggest you always put at least one point in each.

Musicality, Creativity, Patience and Linguistic Ability are completely useless, feel free to remove all points from them.

i always add one point to social, to have 3 meatshields instead of 2.

but what us empathy used for?

As you said before, it might help with recruiting companions.

What that means is that we don't know. Nobody has ever done the work required to find out exactly, though we have noticed signs that a higher empathy might allow you to recruit more companions. If you want to do the required !!SCIENCE!! and then come back and tell us so we can put it up on the wiki, feel free. But at the moment nobody has.

[Hotaru]

For me it's a pretty important roleplay element too.

You can't really be a dogooder if you don't have empathy, you know? Likewise if you're going to slaughter a civilization it doesn't make sense if you have great empathy for everyone. Of course it depends on whether that kind of stuff matters for you or not.

[Loud Whispers]

You can't really be a dogooder if you don't have empathy, you know? Likewise if you're going to slaughter a civilization it doesn't make sense if you have great empathy for everyone. Of course it depends on whether that kind of stuff matters for you or not.

1. You can do "good" actions that benefit others whilst still having apathetic/bad motives in mind.
2. The reverse is also true. "I'm not killing them I swear! I'm just helping them die!"

[Kon]

I was thinking of starting a thread on most used or most useful or favorite Wiki pages. Here's one:

http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Attributes

and here is an excerpt:

Empathy   Animal trainer • Animal caretaker • Wound dresser • Persuader • Negotiator • Judge of intent • Conversationalist • Flatterer • Consoler • Pacifier • Leader • Teacher

So, I consider empathy in choosing squad leaders for the boost to Teacher. Note that it supposedly also affects Animal Trainer.

[FritzPL]

@up No no, the wiki page shows professions boosted by Empathy, not the things that it helps in in adventure mode.

[Hotaru]

1. You can do "good" actions that benefit others whilst still having apathetic/bad motives in mind.
2. The reverse is also true. "I'm not killing them I swear! I'm just helping them die!"

Doesn't really seem realistic that it would be a consistent pattern of behavior, unless your character has a mental illness, is a psychopathic politician, or is forced to. If he does/is, then it requires a different kind of story than one doing good things from the goodness of their heart. As I said, it's a matter of whether it bothers you. 

[eltheon]

empathy makes it takes less to get someone to join you like if your a peasant normally soldiers would laugh at you but if you sink a point or two in it they would join you the wiki says might because its unproven youca n easyily prove this so first time adventure its good

[Kon]

No no, the wiki page shows professions boosted by Empathy, not the things that it helps in in adventure mode.

Oops, forgot this was the Adventure Mode forum.

[EnigmaticHat]

I just did a little test to find out.  I played an elf demigod with max social awareness, lowest possible empathy, and grand master fighter.  Without doing anything else I headed to a fort and recruited 12 companions, then retired.  I made another elf with the same stats but the highest possible empathy, headed back to the fort, and recruited 17 companions.

From the look of things, empathy helps recruiting companions, but not as much as social awareness.  I also learned that if you have no fighting skills, soldiers won't join you even if you're a demigod that specializes in being social.  And the soldiers learned not to be a condescending dick to the purely social demigod, or he'll ineffectually kick your leg and then you'll bash his head in and that's just messy.  And everyone else will make you clean it up, and then you won't, and then there's a body just lying there.  Dick.

[eltheon]

soldiers are based mainley off combat empathy is for peasnts and farmers the people who go i would.... rather not empathy makes it easyer to convince them so try them