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Andal

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Re: learning about wines and other liquer
« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2012, 08:24:39 am »

My advice is to never, ever drink Japanese vodka. It's baaaad juju.
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Re: learning about wines and other liquer
« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2012, 08:32:18 am »

My advice is to never, ever drink Japanese vodka. It's baaaad juju.
East Asia has a shared thing about rice vodka that tastes like fail, be it Chinese baijiu, Korean soju or Japanese shochu. IIRC, Vietnam has some kind of "grass liquor" that's kind of like moonshine.
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« Reply #17 on: April 27, 2012, 09:28:28 am »

Oh. Well, duh. They probably even drink it from choko.

Hah, no clue. But yeah, the only difference in the last 15 years is that I'm pretty sure said group is a lot larger at most universities than it used to be. Like I said, probably enough of a demand for one, maybe two local shops to stock it, but most still wont. Definitely way less appealing than "whatever the cheapest watered down beer we can find, oh yeah and some Jaeger and vodka" is, judging by the numbers. :P

We don't even know if OP has college students around though.
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« Reply #18 on: April 27, 2012, 02:26:00 pm »

I do wonder, though - does your store really only sell wines and liquors? No beers?

This is actually pretty common, though I'm not sure whether it's because of law or it's just a typical business practice. I went to a liquor store the other day with some of my friends and one of them wanted beer but there wasn't any there. He just went to the little grocery store next door and got some.

If it's not because of some law, it's probably because you can get beer at pretty much any grocery store or gas station. Adding beer to your inventory just means you're competing with a larger number of stores.
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« Reply #19 on: April 27, 2012, 02:35:46 pm »

Can you get *good* beer at your average grocery store, though? I would expect liquor stores as speciality shops to stock higher end stuff.
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« Reply #20 on: April 27, 2012, 02:46:52 pm »

I've been to plenty of liquor stores that pay lip service to beer, but they are also the only place I know where I can get high end stuff and kegs too.
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« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2012, 03:08:33 pm »

I'm not a beer fan, so I don't really know what constitutes high end beer, but I'm pretty sure they sell decent beer, not just super cheap crap. My local Kroger actually has a bit of imported beer.
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« Reply #22 on: April 27, 2012, 03:13:43 pm »

It varies by state.

According to The Great and Powerful Wiki, 21 of the 50 states are alcohol control states, meaning the government retains a monopoly on some or all retail (i.e. not for immediate consumption) alcohol sales. Most ABC states have taken to allowing beer and wine to be sold widely in retail, but still require hard liquor sales to be done at the ABC stores, which are state-run.

In Utah, anything over 4% alcohol has to be sold in state-run stores, which is pretty draconian.
Pennsylvania maintains state control over ALL alcohol sales excluding beer, but they're doing away with stores and going to automatic kiosks in supermarkets. This is kinda awesome, as it totally backfires against the typical mindset of alcohol control advocates. Instead of making it tough to buy liquor, you get this:



Here in NC, beer and wine are available all over the place, up to 15% ABV for beer, and I think 21% for wine(EDIT: I stand corrected, there's no cap on wine). Harder stuff, you go to the ABC store for. They're clean, well-lit and secure so I don't mind. And the prices aren't that bad, it's not like the government is using its monopoly to make money. It's still way cheaper than buying liquor by the drink at a bar/restaurant.

I have several craft places down here to get high-end beer and kegs and growlers. And most of the supermarkets will have at least a decent selection of microbrews (especially the local stuff...we have a deliciously high number of craft breweries in NC. We're becoming an East Coast hub of zymurgy and vinoculture.)

But if I want something obscure, I can go to Total Wine or Sam's Blue Light or Seven-Even (they took over an old 7-11 store that the "L" had burned out on the sign, and the name stuck) or Peace Street Market, or I can just take one of my growlers to any of a half dozen breweries and get it straight from the source. The craft stores stock everything from obscure Baltic porters to funky-ass Belgian saissons to Imperial Triple Mega IPAs that some dude in Colorado or California is brewing. We got gluten-free beer, organic beer, cask-aged beer, tiny beers, huge beers, aaaaaand I'll stop there before this turns into some weird version of Cheech Marin's infamous monologue in From Dusk Till Dawn. xD
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« Reply #23 on: April 27, 2012, 03:29:08 pm »

So yeah we don't sell beer, just liquors. We DO have sake, and judging by your guy's comments, this is a pretty high-end store.

So, people keep on asking me vague alcohol questions, like "it was a sweet red wine int he $10 category". Is there a good way to go about figuring out what they were talking about, or do I have to go and show them every red wine we have? (At least 60% of the store is wine)

Also, out of curiosity, what does XO mean, and why does it make a bottle of Hennessy 5 times more expensive?
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« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2012, 03:52:04 pm »

XO = Extra Old, meaning aged at least six years, but often more than 20. Cognac, like many liquors, comes in grades with the higher-end stuff being considerably pricier. Aging any alcohol tends to improve the depth of the flavor and diminish the "bite" of the alcohol.

For Cognac, it's VS, then VSOP, then XO.

If it's mostly wine you deal with, then you'll want to brush up on the basics of wine (which styles are red vs. white, dry vs. sweet, etc.) People asking for wines are far more likely to look for recommendations than somebody looking for liquor. A sweet red is probably going to be a lambrusco or a Beaujolais. I'm not nearly as well-versed in wine as I am in beer and liquor.
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« Reply #25 on: April 27, 2012, 03:54:14 pm »

I'm going to try to elaborate in areas others haven't covered as fully.

Jägermeister: I disagree that this tastes of black liquorish if only because of the next few. It's closer to cough medicine or similar with a mild aniseed (liquorish) flavour, but sweeter than that sounds. I actually kinda like the flavour. Usually taken in shots at the start or end of a long night.

Sambuca: Italian liqueur flavoured with anise, star anise and liquorice. That is to say, stronger liquorice flavour than liquorice itself. Usually drank in shots, usually on fire. Similar but sweeter and slightly rarer in my experience, is Ouzo from Greece. Ouzo might be more popular in up-scale cocktail bars or restaurants, even Italian ones, as sambuca often has a worse reputation.

Absinthe: Traditionally French and Swiss, these days the nastier stuff comes from the Czech Republic. Got a bad reputation for making people go insane, but that's partially lies. Traditionally does contain a hallucinogen (wormwood), but at such low levels that the alcohol content (usually between 60 and 90% ABV, 120-180 proof) would likely kill you before the hallucinations kick in. At least the wormwood caused ones. It was subject to widespread bans until relatively recently, and only one brand is produced in the US today. Tastes strongly of anise/liquorice, with variations depending on origin and style, as well as method of preparation. Often drank in shots, but more traditionally either with water (after elaborate ceremonies involves specialist spoons and burning sugar) or in cocktails.

Scotch: You got some decent details on bourbon so lets do similar for Scotch. Firstly, when talking about Scotch it's whisky, not whiskey. There are two main classes people are actually bothered about;
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I could start on beer, but would need to know what sorts are around. Don't want to start talking about Belgian Trappists if you haven't got a single one.

So, people keep on asking me vague alcohol questions, like "it was a sweet red wine int he $10 category". Is there a good way to go about figuring out what they were talking about, or do I have to go and show them every red wine we have? (At least 60% of the store is wine)
Generally the labels of wine bottles have enough to categorise them in that sort of range. I'd recommend learning at least the main variations.

Wine tends to be mainly defined by it's grape and region. Learning the basic variations on each for white and red will carry things a long way. I'm afraid that you mostly need to taste wines and compare to descriptions to understand how those descriptions work, as things like "light, crisp acidity and a bold flavor" don't make much sense without a reference point. That said, only the broad strokes really matter. A lot of the accents and details are hard to pick up on and/or entirely in the drinkers head. Getting into the broad catagory of sweet/dry, fruity/citrus, etc, is normally more than enough.
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« Reply #26 on: April 27, 2012, 04:01:50 pm »

The whisky bit reminded that I hadn't included Drambuie, another licorice/anise type cordial/liqueur. Which traditionally mixes with equal parts Scotch to make a Rusty Nail. (I had more than a few of those at a clan gathering at the Highland Games some years back....Jesus H. Christ i wanted to die the next day) xD

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« Reply #27 on: April 27, 2012, 04:22:03 pm »

Huh, I didn't know about the various types of liquor store and their associated rules. In Kentucky, we have private liquor stores but they pretty much have to be completely separate from normal grocery stuff. Near most decently large Krogers there will be a Kroger Liquor store, either as a detached building or attached but with no way to go between the two without going outside. I'm not sure how CVS gets away with selling liquor alongside beer and groceries, but they're the only ones I've seen.

And now we have Penguin's College Liqueur Directory!

Schnapps: Good stuff, basically liquid alcoholic candy. It's either drank straight, mixed with other things, or used as a chaser when you want to be a badass dumbass. Slightly expensive as it'll generally cost the same as an equal amount of decent liquor, but with less alcohol in it. About 30 proof.
Triple Sec: Orange. Pretty gross straight (tastes like orange medicine), but most popularly used as a key ingredient in margaritas. That's the most common place you'll see it, but there's like half a million other cocktails it goes in. About 50 proof.
Kahlua: Coffee flavored alcohol! This stuff is really tasty, but has the same drawback as schnapps of being as expensive as decent liquor, except kahlua is typically even more expensive. There are some things it mixes with fantastically, though. I want to mix it with all manner of chocolate things. 40 proof (their site says it's 43 in Ohio).

And that's it for liqueurs in college! I literally have not seen any others except in bars and restaurants. College kids don't appreciate this sort of thing very much.
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« Reply #28 on: April 27, 2012, 04:24:57 pm »

Kahlua is nasty shit. Nasty nasty. I'll drink it, but only if I get the options of whiskey chasers to was the taste away.

Whiskey as actually a pretty good chaser! It will was away most anything but cinnamon. Very good for following up dares to drink a cup of carrot juice.

But Schnapps, Schnapps has one amazing thing going for it.

Sour. There are so many good sour schnapps. And sour+alcohol is always win, as far as I'm concerned.
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« Reply #29 on: April 27, 2012, 05:04:23 pm »

Well I'm in a bit of trouble as I don't drink (Why am I working in a liquor store? I need money badly, they needed an employee badly.). Perhaps there is some sort of magical online wine library that lets you input things and get a guess at the wine back?
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