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Voting closed: April 07, 2013, 10:34:35 am

[syvarris]

((Oh, okay.  I hadn't realized you were already talking.  Checking back, that should have been pretty obvious.  Saint wouldn't have interrupted Jim's conversation, either...  Ah well, I'll just chalk it up to fluid time weirdness.

Feyri's wearing an MKIII, right?))

As Feyri starts to get more agitated, Saint looks up for a few seconds, but quickly goes back to his wristpad lookig thoroughly disinterested.

Here's hoping you get texts inside that robot head.

Is the child... actually a child?  Would you like me to remove him from the area?  This looks like it could go bad.

[PyroDesu]

Simus looks around in the briefing room, looking for who all had decided to attend, and noting a lack of response from The Doctor to her last message, resends it more concise:

This message is to confirm an earlier one's receipt.

Go ahead and get him back together again, but I would like 1 request with it, if you would:

No cybernetics. He can regrow what he's lost, not take the quick way out.

((Just making sure I'm 100% on everyone who's here. With this being rather important, I'd like not to miss anyone if I'm wrong about who all is in the room.))

[SeriousConcentrate]

Grate? I'm... 75% certain he is a child, albeit a strange one given that he continually revives after death. Anyway, I appreciate the offer, but I don't think Feyri is going to shoot him. Even if she does, he'll still be alive... and I'll do something about her actions.

Jim barely stopped himself from adding '...even if it is Feyri who did it.'

[GreatWyrmGold]

You can try it first but frankly all I do know is that it requires flesh to function, I highly doubt that is could cause any harm to you

Grate does not respond because he is sad. He's calming down now, though.

[Caellath]

After a few moments of silence as he ponders something, Milno moves his prosthetic arm forward slightly, clenching his fingers in a fist. "You know, during the last mission there weren't many problems, but are there effective ways to hide this or would I have to deal with it in a different way?" he questions the AM, opening his hand. Strange as it could be to normal people, he's already used to the piece of tech replacing the arm he had eaten as an armburger after it was turned into mincemeat.

"Guess it's about time I learn how to take care of myself out of the suit." Even out of his suit his reflexes do work better than before he was dragged off to the HMRC, at the very least.

Ask AM about the arm thing.

@piecewise question: Are Strength rolls during hand-to-hand combat replaced for Unconventional ones if someone learns how to fight properly with more than just brute force?

Spoiler: Updated Timeskip Quote (click to show/hide)

During the timeskip period, assume Milno talks to the AM and keeps trying to understand both sharkmist symbiosis and alien glove in his free time - like discovering what exactly he can use as fuel for bodily transformations and how much the glove is capable of changing. He also does it very carefully.

Other points of research:
1 - If the glove's simulated version of the rifle it absorbed can fire.
2 - If it needs ammo, if it still has the (partially-filled, 20/75) magazine that was within the gun, and if it can accept the fresh magazine I had bought. "Hey, Jim."
3 - If it can turn normal metal into ammo.
4 - If it has all the features the rifle had (burst fire, overcharge, etc).

After waving the AM good-bye, Milno arrives at the briefing room for the meeting or whatever was announced at the message sent to his wristpad. "Hey, Jim and Robo-lover." he says, nodding first to Jim then to Feyri.

[SeriousConcentrate]

Jim nodded to Milno. "Hey. I thought about challenging you to a third spar, but it would be even less fair now than it was the previous two times," he said with a joking smile.

[Caellath]

"It'd just stop being fun, eh? Been out of sparring partners ever since that last match, but then again things have been pretty busy anyway." he replies, smirk unseen behind the helmet's closed faceplate.

[SeriousConcentrate]

Jim nodded. "True. No one really wants to pick a fight with a body like this and I don't blame them. Simus and Faith are the closest matches I have, but I still have two arms over them, and neither of them like to fight anyway. I suppose I could try Miyamoto, when I feel like losing." He shrugged. "Speaking of keeping busy, what have you been doing?"

[Unholy_Pariah]

Spoiler: OOC for seriousconcentrate (click to show/hide)

@U_P: If you overheard the conversation, then you'd know two things: Simus did not kill or attempt to kill Auron, she put him under, and even had the Doctor there to ensure she didn't kill him. No murder or even intent to murder occurred, so you can drop that complaint. It's not a valid one. The second is that she asked the doc to regrow your old body instead of you getting 'rewarded' with robot parts. The Doc hasn't agreed to that yet, so it's up to him on that one and why he hasn't done either yet.

Finally, you're asking me to punish for intent, not what actually happened. This isn't Minority Report. Yes, she wanted to do bad things to Auron, but she didn't - even if only because they were unfeasible. Meanwhile, Auron's being punished for insubordination (that is, disobeying direct orders from the person in charge by building the tank in the first place when standing orders were to get approval before starting any projects), assault with a deadly weapon (whether you were shooting to kill or are actually telling the truth about shooting to maim, the fact remains that you took a deliberate action to shoot someone else and were looking to take them out of action, temporarily or not), and property damage - all things he actually did. Simus only put Auron under unnecessarily and slightly delayed his recovery process. Comparing the cases, her single offense isn't as bad as any of your three. But you're right. I'll drop the Tinker ban. She actually needs access to Tinker to plan for the defense, and keeping her from it would hurt all of us in the long run.

Long story short, if you didn't want to deal with all the consequences, you never should have taken the shot. I honestly wonder how you would have tried to spin things if Simus hadn't been able to dodge the shot.)

Definition of murder: The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. (and yes Simus is still human despite her body)
Definition of killing: an act of causing death, especially deliberately.

Simus deliberately had the nurses remove her from her tank and carry her over to Aurons bed then disabled all of his life support and watched him die, her actions caused death and therefore consitute an act of murder. This fact is not altered just because she changed her mind afterwards and had the doc revive him.
"Long story short, if you didn't want to deal with all the consequences, you never should have taken the shot." Doesn't only apply to Auron, Simus could have gone straight for the coma but she instead chose to murder a helpless cripple and now she needs to face the music.

and no im not asking you to punish intent, im demanding you punish attempt. if she had been stopped before the doc shot it down then yes it would have only been intent, but if you go to a hitman and they tell you that the method of killing you asked for is unfeasible it doesn't change the fact you just tried to hire a hitman.

Auron never acknowledged Simus authority over him extending past the survey and this was never corrected by Steve. even after the electrocution he only requested that Auron follow her orders, he never ordered it and he never stated that Auron was incorrect in assuming he was previously operating outside of Simus authority.
Auron can claim temporary insanity for the assault, Simus cant plead shit for murder.
and with the repairs Auron has offered to do the repairs personally with no assistance, this isn't exactly a new concept of atonement/punishment and is quite commonly employed.

you say Jim wants to avoid complications later on but punishing auron for ignoring the authority of those he was never instructed to respect, reflexively attacking someone who caused great pain to befall him and accidentally causing minor damages whilst allowing Simus to get away with premeditated murder, attempted personality removal and interference with his recovery without a single real punishment is gonna cause nothing but complications.

get healed already, i don't care if its organic, roboguts or a full conversion. just make it happen.

[Caellath]

"The usual. Mostly going around searching for stuff that may help me keep kicking around. Can't trust my armor all the time anymore." he answers, patting the shoulderguard of his loyal and long-lived MkIII - so heavily modified by now it's almost a different model. "How 'bout you?"

[Corsair]

"no response, might as well wait around"

Engineer/pilot/cleaner available, will do work for tokens,something or barter for magic bangle (Grate has already expressed intrest)

send message wait in corner of briefing room,

[HailFire]

( ║︿║) "Don't you think the shock part of the gauntlets are a little pointless since they're punching everything into a fine red mist anyway? It seems like kind of a waste of battery power..."
( ═~╩) "Hmmm... Nah, keep it. The shock function could be useful for targets the user wanted to incapacitate instead of killing, or in hypothetical grappling situations where throwing amp shockwaves around willy-nilly would be too dangerous. Might as well keep the functionality and not need it rather than needing it and not having it."

( ═_═) "We'll have to make our own shells, looks like. They are railgun ammunition, after all, so people haven't exactly been shooting them out of a lot of things that aren't railguns."

Since we don't have the shells, make them! If that's not feasible for whatever reason, use the most powerful non-reactive military grade explosive I can find (Whatever the UMW uses as space-C4), and put an impact fuse in the tip of the round.
-Investigate how practical it would be to just put a compact gauss gun on the back of the gauntlet instead, retaining the rotary ammunition feed.

What are the specs of the synthflesh full body prosthetic? I plan on tinkering with those soon, and don't want to make redundant changes.

Erin looks... uncertainly at May's proposal.
( ╣~╣) "I... don't know how to wrestle. So no thanks? Anyway, I'm gonna go hit the Infirmary now; I have some ideas, and there are some people I want to talk to and things I want to look at."

Whatever the results of the latest tests are, save and exit the VR, then head to the Infirmary, swinging by the Armory to request a notebook and something to write with on the way, if possible.
-Get that full checkup. I want to know just how long I've been out and how much they've tampered with me, and make sure all of my faculties are in full working order... and also that I'm not going loopy from stasis side-effects.
-Investigate! What sort of robotic surgery suite or regeneration tank are inmates soldiers of the glorious revolution dumped into to piece them back together when their charred remains are scraped off the surface of blasted alien hellholes with a spatula, here in the future?

[SeriousConcentrate]

Spoiler: @Unholy (click to show/hide)

Fine, continue living in a fantasy world where Simus killed Auron. Because she didn't, and whatever she had planned, none of it happened. You might as well ask me to punish Feyri for thinking about pointing a gun at Grate. See, that's what you keep missing. Everything IC and OOC points to Simus merely rendering Auron unconscious, not killing him. She did not disable 'all' of his life support. The only time your character died was as a result of your own actions.

Also, just because you didn't acknowledge Simus's authority doesn't mean she doesn't have any. She was assigned as planet overseer, and it doesn't matter if you don't want to listen to what she has to say concerning the planet and how we use its resources. That's like going to work and getting assigned to a different area for the day (Hephaestus in this case), then a mid-level manager who runs that area but not your normal work area (Simus) telling you to do something, and you going 'you're not my boss, you can't tell me what to do' as you work on a personal project with company resources. That's not going to fly.

Next, Steve chose to shock Auron to get him to pay attention. Simus suggested it as an option; Steve took it to enforce the idea that yes, Simus does have authority. Why do you think he said to listen to her when he did it? So if you want to argue the who caused him pain point, most of the blame is with Steve.

Fourth, you keep saying punish attempt. All right. I'll kill Auron for attempting to murder Simus, and not punish Simus at all. How does that square with you? Because Auron attempted to murder Simus by shooting her braincase, while Simus didn't actually do much in response. Argue that one all you like, the fact remains that all anyone will ever see from the video log is Auron taking a deliberate shot at Simus's back at an area that would kill her. And if you want to argue that Jim shouldn't trust Simus when she says she didn't do anything to kill Auron, then I'll argue that Jim shouldn't have trusted Auron when he said he didn't mean to try to kill Simus.

Now, stop getting things wrong just to try to drag this out.

"Trying to figure out what to do with a situation between Auron and Simus. Already had to ask Miyamoto to get involved. Basically, Auron was building some kind of thing using our resources against orders that all projects had to be approved first, he and Simus argued about it, Steve shocked him, and he tried to shoot her in the back - where it would kill her, although he argues that his aim was off and he only meant to blow her legs off." Jim shook his head. "Anyway, he missed, blew up some volatile substance, caused some damage that resulted in his death and Simus being injured. Simus then decided to put him in a chemical coma before telling anyone else what the situation was, and now Auron is calling for her blood for 'killing' him. Whole thing is a mess."

[Pancaek]

"okay, we've got experience with guass rounds. We can do this"
"Ten tokens says you fuck up"

RUn sidewways the other way. Send out waves of pulses to knock down the guass rounds and maybe damage the cannons themselves, like the am explained I should have done with the bridge defence. If these waves do not damage the cannons, heat up standard 1 foot sphere on the cannons in between pulse waves

[Caellath]

Milno glances aside and snickers. "Not like it's the first time we had to deal with brain-damaged people, anyway. Steve'll probably keep a tighter leash around anyone who may cause our little revolution trouble so that's something." The young soldier checks his wristpad and continues. "I have to search for more permanent members of the Joker team now and probably train them in case it's needed. Thomas is the only soldier who's sure to join Joker unless he's drunk somewhere or having fun with his albino freak."