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Voting closed: April 07, 2013, 10:34:35 am

[PyroDesu]

((shooting lasers out of thin air would be one of the only things you could not do with a theoretically perfect magnetic manipulator actually.))

((you can, although to get anything worth it would be dangerous, ican be done by exciting electrons in a  uniform direction around atoms in the substace that would be the origin so that they move to a highger energy and once moved outwards by several quanta released producing a photon = lasers out of nothing ))

((Big issue with that theory: you can't excite electrons with pure electromagnetics. You have to input a photon to get a photon, pretty much, and it's been stated that the magmanip/amp can only mess with electric charge and through it, magnetism.

Rather, you would generate lasers from (not-so, it would have to be done in some kind of solid medium, probably) thin air through a Free Electron Laser effect, taking advantage of synchrotron radiation as opposed to electron excitation. However. it's so much more complicated as other solutions and not as effective.))

[Sean Mirrsen]

((In other words, even if you could wrap your brain around the technical know-how to make a laser with a magnetic manipulator, you would be more probable to just cause the whole thing to implode in a little magnetic blackhole than succeed due to the sheer complexity and the energy magnitude the process involves.

It would be far easier to just carry a laser. ))

[PyroDesu]

((In other words, even if you could wrap your brain around the technical know-how to make a laser with a magnetic manipulator, you would be more probable to just cause the whole thing to implode in a little magnetic blackhole than succeed due to the sheer complexity and the energy magnitude the process involves.

It would be far easier to just carry a laser. ))

((Considering one of the necessary parts of generating a pure electromagnetic, no-photon injection laser is to create a stream of relativistic electrons, you're better off using the particle beam you make rather than trying for a lasing effect.

Or, you know, you could just 'turn off' electric interaction in an area, resulting in said area violently tearing itself apart.))

[GreatWyrmGold]

Or, you know, you could just 'turn off' electric interaction in an area, resulting in said area violently tearing itself apart.))

((1. You can do that?
2. Aren't the nuclear forces and gravity all attractive? I mean, bad things would definitely happen, but why would it violently tear itself apart?))

[PyroDesu]

Or, you know, you could just 'turn off' electric interaction in an area, resulting in said area violently tearing itself apart.))

((1. You can do that?
2. Aren't the nuclear forces and gravity all attractive? I mean, bad things would definitely happen, but why would it violently tear itself apart?))

((Presumably, yes.

One very noticeable part is affected material is suddenly turned into a very high-pressure gas. Electromagnetism is the only thing that allows solid, or even liquid, matter to form. Not to mention the rather large amounts of energy bound up in intramolecular and intermolecular bonds, which would all have to go somewhere, likely into superheating the now gaseous material.

And that's only two effects. The material would likely ultimately end up as a plasma, since electrons are no longer bound to atoms, for instance, and I don't even know how many other possible effects there are. Considering that gravity is negligible at this scale, the strong force only works within the nucleus (and even then, only up to a certain size), and the weak force is, as far as I know, a repulsive force - it's responsible for the splitting of an atom when the atom is too large for the strong force to hold it together, as well as keeping electrons away from the nucleus.))

[Parisbre56]

((So it would basically be like suddenly replacing that area with the equal mass contents of a fusion reactor (since you've got superheated plasma and atomic nuclei that fuse with each other).
Assuming there are no quantum effects at work we haven't considered.

And then, when the effect dissipates, you're left with all that fused, hot and probably unstable material...))

[PyroDesu]

((Suffice to say, it would probably be the most !!FUN!! thing you could possibly do, other than possibly turning an area to antimatter.))

[Radio Controlled]

((Only problems I see with these options would be that PW might not know what to do if we suddenly start reversing or removing fundamental phenomena of physics. Knowing enough about the subject to work with it is one thing, speculating about what would happen if you change the rules physics play by is a whole other ball game (involving tesseract-shaped balls and such nonsense).
That, and the problem that these methods seem a bit too mindlessly destructive to be employed in most conventional scenarios. Unless 'destroy everything ever, including especially your teammates' is the objective, in which case it'd work like a charm.))

[PyroDesu]

((Well, with the antimatter option, if you flip the electric charges of 1 microgram of material in an opponent's chest, they will die for certain. That amount would release about 1.5 times the energy required to vaporize all but their skeleton (which would likely be blown apart, but not vaporized, that takes 3x10⁹J as opposed to 1.42x10⁸J).

With the 'turn off the EM force' option, do remember that the amount of possibly-fusing plasma (I say possibly because the weak force is still in effect, though if you were to stretch the capability of the magmanip/amp, the weak force is just an aspect of the electroweak force, as is EM force) is limited to the amount of material caught within the field.

My point is, how mindlessly destructive these things are is all a matter of scale.))

[GreatWyrmGold]

Or, you know, you could just 'turn off' electric interaction in an area, resulting in said area violently tearing itself apart.))

((1. You can do that?
2. Aren't the nuclear forces and gravity all attractive? I mean, bad things would definitely happen, but why would it violently tear itself apart?))

((Presumably, yes.

One very noticeable part is affected material is suddenly turned into a very high-pressure gas. Electromagnetism is the only thing that allows solid, or even liquid, matter to form. Not to mention the rather large amounts of energy bound up in intramolecular and intermolecular bonds, which would all have to go somewhere, likely into superheating the now gaseous material.

And that's only two effects. The material would likely ultimately end up as a plasma, since electrons are no longer bound to atoms, for instance, and I don't even know how many other possible effects there are. Considering that gravity is negligible at this scale, the strong force only works within the nucleus (and even then, only up to a certain size), and the weak force is, as far as I know, a repulsive force - it's responsible for the splitting of an atom when the atom is too large for the strong force to hold it together, as well as keeping electrons away from the nucleus.))

((Oh, that's what the Weak Force does. I had forgotten.))

((So it would basically be like suddenly replacing that area with the equal mass contents of a fusion reactor (since you've got superheated plasma and atomic nuclei that fuse with each other).
Assuming there are no quantum effects at work we haven't considered.
And then, when the effect dissipates, you're left with all that fused, hot and probably unstable material...))

((Why would it heat up?))

[Devastator]

((Why would it heat up?))

((Don't ask questions about the fantasy physics.))

[Parisbre56]

((Because all the electrons will leave their atoms and start travelling freely. Although they will be unable to interact with anything when the effect is active unless they crash directly onto it, since they will have no charge. It will be kinda like launching innumerable mass-reduced neutrons at incredible speeds that will then transform into electrons. Edit: If the energy of the bonds is added instead of disappearing, you've got even more energy.

Then you have all the nuclei fusing together, which depending on the type of fusion will either subtract or add energy. And depending on the kind of bonds the atoms have, they may go flying too...))

((Interesting to note, since atoms will stop interacting, it won't be gas or plasma. It will simply be... there. Mass and nuclear forces only. Your hand, if it wasn't affected by the manipulator, would pass right through it. You'd loose quite a lot of atoms to fusion, but you'd meet no resistance.

Edit2: Maybe that's how Simus' phase armor works. Negating all interactions with matter outside the field, except for a bit of light.))

[BFEL]

Edit: If the energy of the bonds is added instead of Swiss appearing, youve got even more energy.

((THE SWISS appearing! ABSOLUTELY THE WORST POSSIBLE OUTCOME OF THIS SCENARIO. SWITZERLAND.))

[Parisbre56]

((They feared the LHC would destroy Switzerland. However the truth is far worse. Deep in the subatomic world, a dreadful thing was discovered  Something that would change the world of physics forever. A blueprint for the worst thing in the world. A way to make.... Swiss appear!

Yeah, that's what autocorrect does for you. Yeah, sure, "Swiss appearing". That's what I wanted to write XT9. Not "disappearing".))

[Unholy_Pariah]

((I think piecewise crashed, someone send an engineer to reboot his mainframe.

Seriously though, anyone know why hes dissapeared?))