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[Azthor]

Yup, take the full 200k. You'll need it.

_{Wait, what was that? That didn't sound like me at all.}

I take it 11st level characters get to start with 66,000 gp worth of wealth?

[JackoftheBox]

Yup, take the full 200k. You'll need it.

_{Wait, what was that? That didn't sound like me at all.}

I take it 11st level characters get to start with 66,000 gp worth of wealth?

Aye, you are right indeed.

[Azthor]

I dunno.
I'm just hearing all these wizard broken things and it makes me insecure about combat classes.
*cries in a corner*

I could build you an utterly ridiculous barbarian capable of cleaving the tarrasque in half... But you would have to RP being a very, very aberrant creature.

[Grek]

Question to Skyrunner: May I use the Unearthed Arcana variant fighters? They let you trade out armour proficencies and bonus feats for better skills and sneak attacks.

[JackoftheBox]

Done, I hope so: http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=393627

[da dwarf lord]

Here is my sheet, anything you want me to change just tell me.

Aloth Darkfire, Warlock Extraordinaire

[Skyrunner]

Question to Skyrunner: May I use the Unearthed Arcana variant fighters? They let you trade out armour proficencies and bonus feats for better skills and sneak attacks.

What page?

Also, the words 'trading out proficiencies' rings a warning bell on meh <.< That already sounds kinda bad.

[Doomblade187]

Question to Skyrunner: May I use the Unearthed Arcana variant fighters? They let you trade out armour proficencies and bonus feats for better skills and sneak attacks.

What page?

Also, the words 'trading out proficiencies' rings a warning bell on meh <.< That already sounds kinda bad.

You can find it on the srd under class variants. And it does look pretty meh.

[Azthor]

It doesn't seem to lose the proficiences, rather, it loses the far more precious bonus feats for sneak attacks it won't use half of the time. Skyrunner, do you mind if I use the Lich template class instead of the raw template?

[Skyrunner]

Azth- Use it, but are you sure you have the 40000 gp/level and feat (Craft Wondrous) for it? >.>

Also, you'd probably have to take it from lv12.

[Grek]

It's here.

What you lose:
-Proficiency with Heavy Armour, Medium Armour and Shields.
-All fighter bonus feats.

What you gain:
-Sneak attacks as a rogue.
-Bluff, Gather Information, Knowledge (local), and Sleight of Hand as class skills for the fighter.
-2 more skill points per level.

[Skyrunner]

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So you become a rogue that haz d12s for hit die. Also doesn't have Evasion, Uncanny Dodge, and that line.

I'd never be that class >.> Jack made a good point.

But yeah, do it if you want.

[JackoftheBox]

Full BaB with sneak attack is always good. Well, IMO fighter bonus feats ain't that good, except you will need some of them for dual-wield build so you can get as many hits as possible/turn to do that sneak attack damage. The Loss of evasion hurts a bit, but playing a variant fighter doesn't mean you can't take rogue levels.

[The Fool]

Fighter bonus feats can be a good thing. If you want a TWF AoO abuse build you'd want lots of feats, because there are 2 feats (with a useless prereq.) that increase your reach by 5'. If you're a human fighter with a flaw you'd have 4 feats to start and you could increase your reach by 5', take TWF at level 2, and improve your reach again at level 2. From there you can focus on having the biggest hammers (Lighten Weapon) possible as light weapons while burning feats like no one's business. It's funny to think of a character swinging massive hammers at you from 15' away and still hitting you. It's also a possible build that wouldn't be half bad.

To say the least there is a lot you can do with feat heavy characters if you know what you're looking for.

I should probably get writing on who my character is rather than discuss character builds. Would be nice to know who my character is when I RP.

[Grek]

The actual point of taking that class is not to become a rogue with full BaB, but rather to take a 1 level dip to get Martial Weapon Proficency without hurting my Sneak Attack progression.

If I did Variant Fighter 5, I wouldn't have the Hide and Move Silently ranks to get into the Assassin prestige class.