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Carpagerphant

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A dwarf listed under "others"?
« on: April 20, 2012, 07:54:03 pm »

On my "others" unit tab, I've got a fellow by the name of Onget Ulzestsazir, marked as "friendly". He's also marked as a trader, and came with the last migrant wave, but he just stands on the corner of the screen the migrants came from. Going by "A short, sturdy creature fond of drink and industry," I'm guessing he's a dorf, yet I can target him via squad menu.

What's up with this? Is this... Normal, or?
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Re: A dwarf listed under "others"?
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2012, 07:54:28 pm »

Glitch, just magma-mize him.
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Re: A dwarf listed under "others"?
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2012, 07:55:18 pm »

As I've heard it, and remember rather poorly, this happens sometimes when a migrant has broker skills, where the game attempts to make them a merchant while also treating them as a migrant.

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Re: A dwarf listed under "others"?
« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2012, 08:05:39 pm »

So, is he useless then? Any repercussions for killing him? Does he still require food/water?

And I believe the proper term is magmatize, thank you.
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Re: A dwarf listed under "others"?
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2012, 08:41:12 pm »

He will leave with the next caravan.
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Re: A dwarf listed under "others"?
« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2012, 09:35:42 pm »

Ok, so, caravan came and went, and he's still here. And another showed up with a new batch of migrants. What to do, what to do...
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Re: A dwarf listed under "others"?
« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2012, 09:41:05 pm »

i have like four traders like that every year hovering around the border. they work as goblin spotters/bait.
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Re: A dwarf listed under "others"?
« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2012, 09:43:11 pm »

Ok, so, caravan came and went, and he's still here. And another showed up with a new batch of migrants. What to do, what to do...

Killing. Killing tends to work. Sometimes the best option is also the simplest.

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Re: A dwarf listed under "others"?
« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2012, 09:58:34 pm »

DFHack has a 'fixmigrant' function that fixes the flags on these errant friendly trader dwarves.
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Re: A dwarf listed under "others"?
« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2012, 10:35:34 pm »

DFHack has a 'fixmigrant' function that fixes the flags on these errant friendly trader dwarves.

Is this a fairly new feature, or an old one that has yet to be reimplemented?
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Re: A dwarf listed under "others"?
« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2012, 10:43:14 pm »

Ordering your military to attack bugged trader migrants will cause a loyalty cascade. Militiadwarfs will start shooting at eachother because their squadmates committed murder by killing a member of your civilization, leading to more murder and more retribution. Dwarves are very litigious creatures and will continue dispensing vigilante justice on eachother until there's nothing left.

Some worlds have this bug, others don't. I have no idea what causes it.
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Re: A dwarf listed under "others"?
« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2012, 10:45:01 pm »

DFHack has a 'fixmigrant' function that fixes the flags on these errant friendly trader dwarves.

Is this a fairly new feature, or an old one that has yet to be reimplemented?

It's a new one, and might not actually be part of the standard DFHack release yet.  It's discussed in the last half dozen or so pages of the DFHack thread.

ETA: Here:

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=91166.msg3178525#msg3178525
« Last Edit: April 20, 2012, 10:47:00 pm by Sphalerite »
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Re: A dwarf listed under "others"?
« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2012, 11:35:40 pm »

one of the traders got stabbed in the eye, then choked the goblin master thief out, killing it with a kick to the head.

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Re: A dwarf listed under "others"?
« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2012, 11:38:37 pm »

Killing. Killing tends to work.
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Re: A dwarf listed under "others"?
« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2012, 11:40:59 pm »

As I've heard it, and remember rather poorly, this happens sometimes when a migrant has broker skills, where the game attempts to make them a merchant while also treating them as a migrant.
Oh that explains it.
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