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[Greiger]

Yea zerg works, but the clever strategies will often beat a zerg.

Of course then its possible to have somebody who thinks their strategy is clever and a zerg following their orders to get absolutely stomped because they are being led by an idiot.

Spoiler: ranting story (click to show/hide)

Last night I was in WvW attacking a borderlands.  We had a pretty well organized group, but it was still a zerg at heart.  But our glorious leader must have been nuts.

We would break down the south gate of one of the side keeps in the borderlands, and then he told everyone to back off, don't enter the gate and let them rebuild it.  Seemed odd, but ok, maybe I don't get his plan.  Once the gate was back up and they rebuilt a few defenses he called the attack again, and yet again, once we had everything down and the gate destroyed he told us to back off again.

I spoke up and asked exactly what we are trying to accomplish.  He responded that we are draining their supply.  At which point others start speaking up mentioning how we have absolutely nothing stopping them from running supply in through the north gate, and it's pointed out that even dolyaks are getting into the keep unmolested.

After calling people idiots for a while and saying that he assumed we'd be smart enough to block the north gate (with no idea of the plan) he caved in and let us take the outer wall of the keep.  Once we got to the inner wall though he also insisted that we don't enter the gate, to keep draining supply.  At this point being anywhere near the inner wall is a death sentence, we spent too long messing around on the outer wall, they must have had a dozen arrow carts. 

I die and respawn, and see our tower near spawn is getting attacked, I call out that redtower is getting hit, and get inside to man the defenses.  And the glorious leader just tells me to ignore the supply camp and the tower, we don't need them once we have the keep, and says for everyone there to go to the keep.  After that team chat turned into a massive argument, and we basically were kicked out of that borderlands, we lost the tower and the supply camp, and he continued to insist on a war of attrition on the keep, some listened, some ignored him, we had numbers to take the keep, but with only half of us actually attacking, we couldn't. 

Last order I heard him spout was for people to go to other battlegrounds to pick up supply and to come back to this one so we can keep hitting the keep.  This is a server with WvW queues that can last up to 4 hours. Somebody else seemed to have been taking over leadership, but I had enough by that point and left. 

[Zangi]

^
I have not encountered a 'Zerg Boss' on that scale of dumb yet... so I have little empathy for that situation. 
Though, I'm the sort that would open up the map and check things out... and call out the idiocy, probably after the first time, seeing that nothing is being done about the supply line.

[penguinofhonor]

Is there an official leader role in WvW? If not, it seems like everyone should have just ignored him and someone else should have stepped up.

[Zangi]

Is there an official leader role in WvW? If not, it seems like everyone should have just ignored him and someone else should have stepped up.

There is no official leader role.  Which I'm glad for... since it just promotes cronyism and exclusiveness...

But... there is an item anyone can buy, that gives you the ability to lead a squad, which is similar to a party, but you can fit more then 5 people.  Apparently in WvW, everyone on your side can also see your location anywhere on the map?  It costs 100 gold.

EDIT: To address the second point... the Zerg is pretty much a mindless entity, the first 'plausible' and undisputed direction thrown out to the Zerg is what they would end up doing...  Or well, once the fighting is over, they can either scatter or follow the first person moving in a direction to the next fight.

[Tilla]

I love WvW quite a bit myself, especially that moment when your frontal assault succeeds and you are rushing through the enemy gates. Good stuff.

[Zangi]

I love WvW quite a bit myself, especially that moment when your frontal assault succeeds and you are rushing through the enemy gates. Good stuff.

Kinda funny actually...  My guardian has a skill called "Retreat".  It increases travel speed and adds a shield.

*Gate goes down*  From the crowd of attackers pushing in at the gate, you hear my character yelling: "Retreat!"

[etgfrog]

Yea zerg works, but the clever strategies will often beat a zerg.

Of course then its possible to have somebody who thinks their strategy is clever and a zerg following their orders to get absolutely stomped because they are being led by an idiot.

Spoiler: ranting story (click to show/hide)

Last night I was in WvW attacking a borderlands.  We had a pretty well organized group, but it was still a zerg at heart.  But our glorious leader must have been nuts.

We would break down the south gate of one of the side keeps in the borderlands, and then he told everyone to back off, don't enter the gate and let them rebuild it.  Seemed odd, but ok, maybe I don't get his plan.  Once the gate was back up and they rebuilt a few defenses he called the attack again, and yet again, once we had everything down and the gate destroyed he told us to back off again.

I spoke up and asked exactly what we are trying to accomplish.  He responded that we are draining their supply.  At which point others start speaking up mentioning how we have absolutely nothing stopping them from running supply in through the north gate, and it's pointed out that even dolyaks are getting into the keep unmolested.

After calling people idiots for a while and saying that he assumed we'd be smart enough to block the north gate (with no idea of the plan) he caved in and let us take the outer wall of the keep.  Once we got to the inner wall though he also insisted that we don't enter the gate, to keep draining supply.  At this point being anywhere near the inner wall is a death sentence, we spent too long messing around on the outer wall, they must have had a dozen arrow carts. 

I die and respawn, and see our tower near spawn is getting attacked, I call out that redtower is getting hit, and get inside to man the defenses.  And the glorious leader just tells me to ignore the supply camp and the tower, we don't need them once we have the keep, and says for everyone there to go to the keep.  After that team chat turned into a massive argument, and we basically were kicked out of that borderlands, we lost the tower and the supply camp, and he continued to insist on a war of attrition on the keep, some listened, some ignored him, we had numbers to take the keep, but with only half of us actually attacking, we couldn't. 

Last order I heard him spout was for people to go to other battlegrounds to pick up supply and to come back to this one so we can keep hitting the keep.  This is a server with WvW queues that can last up to 4 hours. Somebody else seemed to have been taking over leadership, but I had enough by that point and left. 

yep, this happens quite a bit with people with large egos, thankfully the wvw guild i joined is pretty good about setting up successful captures, even managed to take garrison and hold it for 3 hours even with 4/6 gates being down and the other invader + defenders were pouring in trying to take it

Spoiler: Let it be known that Asura are damn perverts (click to show/hide)

asura are the super nerds...so of coarse they will have stuff like that

[Jelle]

Well since this game is still sold out I decided to use the free time I had hoped to spend on GW2 on another replay of GW. Seems like it's a ghost town mostly, but you do most of the pve solo anyway.

In beta I immediatly fell in love with the mesmer gameplay, however I had never played one in GW. May as well give it a go see if I can learn anything new!
Slightly off topic but that reminds me to ask, any know a good build for mesmer in GW? Prophecies and core skills only though, I never did get the expansions.

Anyway, I'm missing dem illusions and phantasms, but lotsa fun with conditions and interrupts. Quite a big change for mesmer between GW 1 and 2. Kind of lost a little bit of complexity with the removal of hexes and reducing it to conditions (debuffs) only.

[penguinofhonor]

Last WvW my world lost hardcore. One of the worlds controlled like 90% of the points, then the other two split the rest like 6% and 4%. Mine was the 4%.

Now that they switched it mine is at 28%. Still pretty unimpressive. I feel like one world is always going to have a huge advantage and it's just going to keep getting a greater and greater advantage until there's a reset.

[Zangi]

Thats why it is the preliminaries right now.  Matches are 24 hours so GW2 will balance based on performance...  be glad it isn't 2 weeks yet...

[EveryZig]

I don't know why people say Heartseeker is OP when it rarely seems to work, while the warrior's Bladestorm will kill you in less than two seconds (and you spend one of those stunned by another skill).

[Ozyton]

You can craft things using materials in your collection now. Thank god.

[webadict]

You can craft things using materials in your collection now. Thank god.

But you can't discover, if I heard correctly.

[EveryZig]

I seem to be really bad at fighting other players... by far the most successful strategy I have had in PvP is to run from any even fight and then capture the point when they are not there. (Fortunately, thieves are the fastest moving, so at least I am the best class for my dubious habits.)

[penguinofhonor]

I think the best strategies as a thief in WvW are stealthing your allies and poisoning the enemies. You sneak around in combat and dispense utility rather than outright damage. If you want damage and outright fighting power, be a warrior/elementalist/ranger.

Also, is it possible to block invites from a certain guild? This one guild sends me an invite at least three times a day and it's super annoying.