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[humblegar]

If I want unbeatable dwarves too fast I use a danger room. Much less hassle in my opinion (I hate messing with equipment, and I have to turn off my normal garbage magma to dump weapons (magma)).

For pitting I just use alerts/burrows with marksdwarves for actually dangerous prisoners (lashers combined with elite crossbow for instance). Everyone else just gets a "fair" chance to fight my military. Now and then my hospital has to patch up the not so promising recruits :p

[SRD]

I train my dwarves the way they were meant to be trained, Sparring and arenas, no dangerrooms or anything..

[ASCIt]

Once I decide to actually/properly implement a standing army, I shall be a fan of dropping goblins far enough to break their arms and legs, then have my dwarves beat on their immobile bodies.

[humblegar]

I train my dwarves the way they were meant to be trained, Sparring and arenas, no dangerrooms or anything..

I don't use danger rooms myself, but that was not my point.

My point was that if the OP needs supersoldiers really fast, why not just use a danger room?

[Patroclus]

My point was that if the OP needs supersoldiers really fast, why not just use a danger room?

This method won't give you supersoldiers, just competent ones.  They'll only be at skill level 6 or 7 in their weapon skill after this.  Once they get to legendary fighter, they spar more often.  While sparring, they attack more often, which means they train up faster too.

And I didn't want them really fast, I wanted them really easy.  Building a danger room takes more work than this does. 

Plus this feels a lot less exploit-y (and a lot more murder-y) than a danger room.

[slothen]

Yeah, I've been meaning to do this for awhile to train melee soldiers, just been too lazy to actually do it.  I'd like to point out you can chain goblins so they won't try to run out of the room, which has its benefits.  The, the 'training' part of the sword/axe/spear makes the goblin last a very long time.  If you use regular wooden weapons, you'll still get some good training, but you'll go through goblins a bit faster, mostly depending on the weight of the wood.  Leaving goblins their armor/caps will mitigate this somewhat.  You should be able to get some very good training in the hammerdwarf skill if you use wooden crossbows, provided the crossbows are light enough and the goblins are armored.

My point was that if the OP needs supersoldiers really fast, why not just use a danger room?

This method won't give you supersoldiers, just competent ones.  They'll only be at skill level 6 or 7 in their weapon skill after this.

This is not definitive.  unless danger rooms have changed recently, they can gain weapon skill by parrying danger room attacks with their weapon.  I've seen dwarves come out of the danger room w/ legendary fighter/weapon skill, but have their shield user skill lower because they parry so often they don't block with their shield.

[BigFatStupidHead]

It is now possible to assign your goblin prisoners to a chain, and then beat up on them. Much easier than setting up a pitting room, and no chance they will escape.

Chained targets are not quite as good for marksdwarves, though.

[Satarus]

I don't like calling it murder.  I prefer to call them live fire exercises.

[Agent_Irons]

I build little 1x1 walls, build a cage on top of the pillar, hook it up to a lever, deconstruct the ramp, and station marksdwarves nearby. I have a gorlak with maybe one undamaged body part in my current fort. Dodging can be a problem, but in my experience they tend to get shot, pass out, and then just lie there.

[Sphalerite]

How difficult is it to get your dwarves to reliably use their training swords for training and the proper metal swords for real combat?  If a siege appears in the middle of a training session, I don't want my soldiers running out onto the battlefield still carrying their training weapons.

[SRD]

How difficult is it to get your dwarves to reliably use their training swords for training and the proper metal swords for real combat?  If a siege appears in the middle of a training session, I don't want my soldiers running out onto the battlefield still carrying their training weapons.

For sparring? Just use normal weapons, my dwarves have been using steel/adamantine and not a scratch has been dealt.

[Sphalerite]

How difficult is it to get your dwarves to reliably use their training swords for training and the proper metal swords for real combat?  If a siege appears in the middle of a training session, I don't want my soldiers running out onto the battlefield still carrying their training weapons.

For sparring? Just use normal weapons, my dwarves have been using steel/adamantine and not a scratch has been dealt.

No, for training on goblins without killing them.  Did you actually read the start of this thread?

[SRD]

How difficult is it to get your dwarves to reliably use their training swords for training and the proper metal swords for real combat?  If a siege appears in the middle of a training session, I don't want my soldiers running out onto the battlefield still carrying their training weapons.

For sparring? Just use normal weapons, my dwarves have been using steel/adamantine and not a scratch has been dealt.

No, for training on goblins without killing them.  Did you actually read the start of this thread?

Yeah but you just said training, and this thread evolved into danger rooms and the like so I didn't know if you were talking about 'training' or 'killing goblins training'

[rtg593]

My point was that if the OP needs supersoldiers really fast, why not just use a danger room?

This method won't give you supersoldiers, just competent ones.  They'll only be at skill level 6 or 7 in their weapon skill after this.

This is not definitive.  unless danger rooms have changed recently, they can gain weapon skill by parrying danger room attacks with their weapon.  I've seen dwarves come out of the danger room w/ legendary fighter/weapon skill, but have their shield user skill lower because they parry so often they don't block with their shield.

Which is why he was saying this method won't give you supersoldiers, cuz they're not in a dangerroom

[Patroclus]

How difficult is it to get your dwarves to reliably use their training swords for training and the proper metal swords for real combat?  If a siege appears in the middle of a training session, I don't want my soldiers running out onto the battlefield still carrying their training weapons.

When I am done training dwarves like this, I assign them uniforms with real weapons and no training weapons.  The dwarves have always switched to real weapons after that.

I don't switch dwarves back and forth from real weapons to training ones.  I train new recruits with this method, then once they're in the real military, they stay there on duty from then on out.