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Re: Food Thread: Just Add Water
« Reply #735 on: November 28, 2013, 11:21:38 pm »

Does it... does it taste like anything? I can't fathom the concept of a pot full of water, chicken and dumplings (which I assume are just flour, water and fat themselves) with naught but salt and pepper for seasoning tasting like... well, very much at all.

Not to rain on your parade (or insult Carolina SUperior in any way, no sir, learned that lesson, still have scars from the experience) but I am just flummoxed.
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Re: Food Thread: Just Add Water
« Reply #736 on: November 29, 2013, 12:01:58 am »

Well you have a very rich chicken broth created from boiling the whole chicken. That broth (plus salt and pepper) becomes the foundation for the whole thing, plus the gluten from the dumplings, which thickens it into a peppery chicken slurry. And the texture of the dumplings themselves is very nice.

It's not a complex flavor profile or anything, but then neither is chicken noodle soup. But much like chicken noodle soup, chicken pastry is pure comfort food. Especially when it's cold as balls outside.
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Re: Food Thread: Just Add Water
« Reply #737 on: November 29, 2013, 12:46:44 am »

I have been gifted with the perfect recipe for mashed potatoes, which I will now share with you.

5 pounds potatoes (peeled or not, as you like)
1/2 pound sour cream
1/4 pound cream cheese
1/4 pound butter
1/2 pound cheese (I recommend cheddar for this, but likely anything will do)
Salt and pepper to taste (about 1/4 teaspoon of each is a good starting place)

Chop your potatoes into cubes. If leaving skins on, as you should for maximum textural deliciousness, you'll want fairly small ones to break up the skin bits. Boil them for 30 to 45 minutes, until they're softened. Drain off the water, then return them to the pot they boiled in, leaving them off heat. Mash them to your desired consistency. Chunks are good to leave in, but if you like them smoother, go ahead. Only once this has been achieved do you add your cream cheese and butter, then stir until these have melted in and are well incorporated. Add your sour cream now, and get everything well mixed. Transfer the entire contents of the pot to a slow cooker, whose surfaces you have buttered prior to this step. Get the top vaguely smooth, then top with your cheese, set the slow cooker to Low heat, and come back in 4 hours. If you like crispy cheese, leave the lid off, but if you prefer gooey cheese that easily combines with the potatoes, leave the lid off.

Not complicated, or healthy, but oh my god yes.
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Re: Food Thread: Just Add Water
« Reply #738 on: November 29, 2013, 01:10:39 am »

Does it... does it taste like anything? I can't fathom the concept of a pot full of water, chicken and dumplings (which I assume are just flour, water and fat themselves) with naught but salt and pepper for seasoning tasting like... well, very much at all.

Not to rain on your parade (or insult Carolina SUperior in any way, no sir, learned that lesson, still have scars from the experience) but I am just flummoxed.

As he said, water is a medium you can do a lot with. With enough heat and reduction it intensifies flavors and thickens into a sauce. I just made stroganoff which is basically just a stew made adding flour to meat, water, onions and a couple seasonsings. Cooked long enough and reduced far enough, it becomes a gravy.

I only say something because as I was making I was reflecting, man, flour and cooking in general is like magic. Something that is literally just protein, water, and vegetable matter that doesn't blend at all suddenly becomes this magical stew, simply because of flour and some heat.
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Re: Food Thread: Just Add Water
« Reply #739 on: November 29, 2013, 11:39:09 am »

Does it... does it taste like anything? I can't fathom the concept of a pot full of water, chicken and dumplings (which I assume are just flour, water and fat themselves) with naught but salt and pepper for seasoning tasting like... well, very much at all.

Not to rain on your parade (or insult Carolina SUperior in any way, no sir, learned that lesson, still have scars from the experience) but I am just flummoxed.

As he said, water is a medium you can do a lot with. With enough heat and reduction it intensifies flavors and thickens into a sauce. I just made stroganoff which is basically just a stew made adding flour to meat, water, onions and a couple seasonsings. Cooked long enough and reduced far enough, it becomes a gravy.

I only say something because as I was making I was reflecting, man, flour and cooking in general is like magic. Something that is literally just protein, water, and vegetable matter that doesn't blend at all suddenly becomes this magical stew, simply because of flour and some heat.
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Re: Food Thread: Just Add Water
« Reply #740 on: November 30, 2013, 02:24:18 pm »

Tonight I discovered what happens if you put in too much potato starch trying to thicken your sauce.

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Re: Food Thread: Just Add Water
« Reply #741 on: November 30, 2013, 04:51:26 pm »

I don't have any flour or stuff like that, so i add a little bit of rice to thicken my stews and the like.
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Re: Food Thread: Just Add Water
« Reply #742 on: November 30, 2013, 08:27:20 pm »

Tonight I discovered what happens if you put in too much potato starch trying to thicken your sauce.

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Heh. Savory Kissel. Try to do that with fruits, it's a moderately popular dessert over here.
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Re: Food Thread: Just Add Water
« Reply #743 on: December 01, 2013, 10:34:39 am »

Not complicated, or healthy, but oh my god yes.
Have you tried putting nutmeg in there? Everyone I know makes mashed potatoes with a bit of nutmeg...
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Re: Food Thread: Just Add Water
« Reply #744 on: December 12, 2013, 05:43:29 pm »

In honor of exams, I thought I'd share with you a useful recipe that has gotten me through many a final. I may have posted this elsewhere, but here we go anyway.

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I was going to take pictures, but once again my computer decided it was having none of that, so this is all I can give. You can probably substitute whatever vegetables are convenient for the celery and eggplant, and you could do this in a large pot on your stove instead of a slow-cooker, on low to medium heat for a shorter length of time. Substituting stock and roux for the tomatoes and beans will probably produce a reasonable gumbo, although I have no idea how that'll gel with the sweeteners.
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Re: Food Thread: Just Add Water
« Reply #745 on: December 13, 2013, 02:17:40 am »

I saw the thread title, and I thought of Potato Pearls. Mashed potatoes that take less time to make than raman noodles. Boil water, stir and pour in small amounts until it looks like mashed potatoes. Best part is they actually taste like mashed potatoes without a strange taste, unlike all other kinds of instant mashed potato products I've tried.


That milk carton looking container makes 20 pounds of mashed potatoes and most importantly is cheap.
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Re: Food Thread: Just Add Water
« Reply #746 on: December 13, 2013, 02:38:31 am »

Where the hell do you buy those? I've never seen them, but I would eat more mashed potatoes if I had those.
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Re: Food Thread: Just Add Water
« Reply #747 on: December 13, 2013, 07:51:31 am »

And I would not. Mashed potatoes are a terrible thing.
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Re: Food Thread: Just Add Water
« Reply #748 on: December 13, 2013, 08:23:58 am »

And I would not. Mashed potatoes are a terrible thing.

Sounds like someone who's only ever encountered crappy mashed potatoes.

edit: not to imply that the packaged version aren't crapy, of course; I personally wouldn't touch them with a ten-foor pole; so many more cheap, easily prepared carbohydrates with more variety of flavouring available.
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« Reply #749 on: December 13, 2013, 08:30:03 am »

Nah, I just don't really like potatoes. They taste of blandness and dullness, much like Kendal Mint Cake tastes of being old. Chips (fries to Americans, I believe) and roasties are alright, but mashed, new, and boiled potatoes are impossibly dull to eat. I can only realyl tolerate potatoes when they're drowned in gravy.

Rice is much better than potatoes will ever be.
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