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[GiglameshDespair]

There's kinds of veal now that aren't box veal, I think, but since I've never had veal at all, I'm not sure if it's different or not.

[smeeprocket]

if it is not boxed, it does not go under the proper definition of veal.

Personally I consider it unethical to consume animals, so it is relative. But I am speaking of the practices that create veal.

Without chaining and caging the baby, the muscles will develop and you won't end up with the same product. Baby calf != veal by itself. (I know, I used to adore veal, and my then meat eating bf explaining how it was made, well it put me on the fast track to being vegan.)

SO when I say veal is unethical, I am talking about that practice. There is no such thing as humanely-raised veal.

tbh, I think it is a little silly to insist on things like humanely raised meat. I've seen what that entails, and it is anything but humane. The only difference is you pay them more so they can lie to you about what happens in their ranch and slaughterhouse.

I support the efforts of organizations like Farm Sanctuary, which try to mitigate the violence of the meat industry by working to get gestation crates, battery cages, and veal crates (and things like fois gras) banned, because that is the best option we have. But it's insulting to me when people insist that they are somehow acting in a moral manner buying meat with these labels.

[Cryxis, Prince of Doom]

I have plenty of friends and family's at my church that raise and slaughter animals at their own homes.
I've seen the animals and how they treat them, none of it is the least bit inhumane. Also many people out where I live hunt which I consider humane unless the people hunting are huge a-holes that purposely make the animals suffer (not going into detail).
But I don't think it's at all inhumane the way meat is produced around her (most places buy localy grown/raised food) so I have not a single problem eating it.

[smeeprocket]

I have plenty of friends and family's at my church that raise and slaughter animals at their own homes.
I've seen the animals and how they treat them, none of it is the least bit inhumane. Also many people out where I live hunt which I consider humane unless the people hunting are huge a-holes that purposely make the animals suffer (not going into detail).
But I don't think it's at all inhumane the way meat is produced around her (most places buy localy grown/raised food) so I have not a single problem eating it.

stuff you raise and slaughter yourself, and especially stuff that is hunted, is usually going to be significantly higher on the not cruel scale. But you are using these as a way to turn a blind eye to the factory farming industry, and the mass famers that claim to be free-range, cage-free, humanely-raised. These are not local, they are big business. They are not halal.

If you raise your own beef and slaughter it in what you perceive as a humane fashion, that's fine. If you hunt for food that's fine. Your carbon footprint is smaller than mine at any rate.

That is not how most people acquire their meat, however.

[Cryxis, Prince of Doom]

I know

I was simply stating how it is out in the middle of nowhere

[smeeprocket]

I know

I was simply stating how it is out in the middle of nowhere

Right, but to clarify, I'm not talking about that. I have a number of friends that hunt, and a friend that has cattle for tax purposes that occasionally sends one or two to slaughter.

I don't really agree with these things, but that's not where I feel the real issues lie.

There's also large environmental issues with factory farming. And that is where we are going to see the real problem going into the future. Along with all the other things going on that are toxic to the environment.

[GiglameshDespair]

Looking up veal a bit further...

Veal is the meat of young cattle (calves), in contrast to the beef from older cattle. Though veal can be produced from a calf of either sex and any breed, most veal comes from male calves (bull calves) of dairy cattle breeds.[1] Generally, veal is more expensive than beef from older cattle.

Turns out veal is just young beef. It's just certain types of veal that use a box.

When produced under the best conditions, veal does not need to be a cruel meal

So it turns out we weren't quite right, smeep.

[smeeprocket]

Looking up veal a bit further...

Veal is the meat of young cattle (calves), in contrast to the beef from older cattle. Though veal can be produced from a calf of either sex and any breed, most veal comes from male calves (bull calves) of dairy cattle breeds.[1] Generally, veal is more expensive than beef from older cattle.

Turns out veal is just young beef. It's just certain types of veal that use a box.

So it turns out we weren't quite right, smeep.

I think most veal connoisseurs would disagree.

The reason veal is veal is because the muscles of the calf don't develop, requiring it to be chained down. You will not get the same texture, otherwise.

I feel like a site that uses the term compassion and then promotes certain types of veal is mis-labelled.

I mean, I guess if you slaughtered the calf immediately, you could get the desired result. I don't know.

Cruelty-free meat is ultimately a misnomer. You have to accept that, if you want to eat meat, cruelty is going along with it. Even halah practices kill the animal by bleeding it, which is a terrifying process for the animal. It is not a nice way to go out. There are worse ways (such as some ranchers hanging pigs to kill them.) I just wouldn't call the practices humane or compassionate.

It begs the question, why eat veal at all if you are thinking about the suffering of the animal? It's kind of a weird desire. But when people say they only eat "humanely-sourced" meat, it's a little ridiculous. That's a big industry. You can't do that kind of thing on even a moderate scale without it becoming successively less and less about the life quality of the animals involved.

[penguinofhonor]

Spoiler: Buffalo Chicken (click to show/hide)

I love deep frying things! Boneless skinless chicken thighs are great. Cut them up to basically get boneless wings (what I did here), or use a whole one for a sandwich.

The breading for these was half cornmeal, half flour with a lot of smoked paprika. I tossed them in some red wine vinegar buffalo wing sauce, which is really good (you usually use white vinegar).

I think I'm going to make deep fried Oreos next, because I can make fair food at my house! Or maybe deep fried bacon. This is too much power for one person to have.

[Rose]

As a vegetarian, these last few pages have all been wut

[Cryxis, Prince of Doom]

Penguin of honor I am no ring into your house now.
I'm not kidding (yes I am), if you keep posting delicious fried food!

[acetech09]

I'm going to have to start a fry-off. I still have lots of frying stuff left from the fried catfish a few days ago.

[Reudh]

As a vegetarian, these last few pages have all been wut

As a non-american, ...catfish? really?

[Sheb]

I'm juste going to point out that currently, all our effort at growing meat in a lab depend on bovine fetal serum, which is... Well, what you get when you bleed a bovine foetus and centrifugate the cells out. According to my cell culture teacher, that 100g artificially grown steak they did a while back probably required the blood of a dozen calves.

[smeeprocket]

I'm juste going to point out that currently, all our effort at growing meat in a lab depend on bovine fetal serum, which is... Well, what you get when you bleed a bovine foetus and centrifugate the cells out. According to my cell culture teacher, that 100g artificially grown steak they did a while back probably required the blood of a dozen calves.

actually they said now they can do it without that.

I'm not 100% certain that's the best way to go about it though, it seems labor intensive for just one hamburger patty. I don't know, I was never a big steak fan so the allure is lost on me. It was shellfish and seafood in general that I really liked.

Also, I really want a new deep fryer. My dad lost the cord to my old one because he likes to compulsively store things in impossible to find places.