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[Sheb]

True, hence why the mortality was found to vary from 1.7 to 15 percent in certain batches. But I think it's pretty clear force-feeding cause extra suffering in the animals. Whether or not that extra suffering is worth it is a decision you have to make.

[timferius]

I think the world can live without 1 type of pate, I just don't see the point, particularly considering the controversy. Note: not a huge pate fan anyways.

[smeeprocket]

no, a more thorough investigation is not needed.

Ducks are force fed until their livers are nearly bursting. Regardless of anything else, the liver going back to normal or the duck surviving or conditions of cleanliness, shoving a tube down a goose or duck's through and ramming as much food into them as you can is unnecessarily cruel.

I'm not here to tell you not to eat fois gras, that is your decision. But let's not pretend like the act itself isn't inhumane.

[Knit tie]

I have to confess, I like foie gras because it's metal.

[Cryxis, Prince of Doom]

I don't eat veal because I just find it morally wrong to eat baby mammal meat....
Though poultry and fish eggs are entirly fine
That and I hate the taste/texture of veal (note that I was not told that it was baby cow when I first are it, just told that it was cow)

Edit beause I'm an idiot who doesn't remember things properly

[penguinofhonor]

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[Sheb]

Here, mutton is often sold as lamb because people think it's better.

All farm animals are killed young though. The vast majority is killed before reaching sexual maturity.

[Cryxis, Prince of Doom]

Ya but veal is before the muscle enough, how do you say?, forms? Becomes actual built fibers that work right? Whatever it's called
Veal is meat from animals that aren't even full size
I thought most animals in the us IIRC were at least as large as they get before slaughter

[Sheb]

Steers are typically slaughtered at 1000 lbs. A full-grown bull weights about 2000 lbs.
Chicken are typically slaughtered when 30-35 days old.
Pigs are typically slaughtered at 6 months and 200 lbs. A full grown boar can easily reach 500-600 lbs.

[Levi]

I don't really care when they kill them as long as they treat them humanely when they are alive. 

Still, I can't wait till we get ethically grown Vat meat. 

[Cryxis, Prince of Doom]

as long as they treat them humanely when they are alive
Still, I can't wait till we get ethically grown Vat meat. 

+1
(That's lab grown meat correct? No actual live animals involved IIRC)

[GiglameshDespair]

What's unethical about eating the meat of young animals?

The unethical part of veal came from where they were kept in crates, unable to move, suffering sensory and social deprivation their entire lives until they were slaughtered, never having even seen sunlight. That was the unethical part.

The idea of it being worse to eat things when they're young is strange.

[ChairmanPoo]

"I'll consume the living *AND* the dead!"

[timferius]

Ya, I have no issue with baby cow, it's baby cow in a box that's the trouble. I still break down and eat it once in a blue moon because omg it's good when cooked right.

[Cryxis, Prince of Doom]

It's not really unethical it's just I have some problem with eating it, I don't know why but I do.
That and I hate its texture/consultancy/taste