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Re: Homestuck RPG OOC Thread (Home of the Bay12 v1.2 Homestuck RPG Build)
« Reply #120 on: April 26, 2012, 01:41:02 pm »

Wow, I don't know how fast you can draw, but I wouldn't suggest this. I mean, for things you expect to need illustrations for, do them before hand, and any thing else, draw if you must, but this seems like an unneccesary thing that'd slow down the whole shebang.

Actually, the illustrations ended up being pretty lame, but I got them done in about 5-15 seconds each with a pencil, and since they served their purpose who cares about the quality? When I did the recap I redid some of the illustrations digitally as I went.

Anyway, here's the AMAZING RECAP of our first session which included no combat but quite a few skill checks:

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My brother is not a creative person. He wanted to play a sad, lame version of Dave. I let him do so.
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Re: Homestuck RPG OOC Thread (Home of the Bay12 v1.2 Homestuck RPG Build)
« Reply #121 on: April 26, 2012, 02:34:08 pm »

"Unfortunately, he tripped on one of his BRO's carefully placed MY LITTLE PONIES, causing him to endure the GM's never-ceasing flurry of SBAHJ references all the way down the stairs."

Knowing you, the never-ceasing flurry thing is no exaggeration. Even if he himself has never read SBaHJ and thus wouldn't get the references.
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« Reply #122 on: April 26, 2012, 02:34:49 pm »

Oh no, he's read SBAHJ. He was laughing as I joked about stairs and warnings and bros.
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« Reply #123 on: April 26, 2012, 02:36:44 pm »

Well then. It sounds like it was a lot of fun then. Even moreso because of the involvement of SBaHJ. If only I could be a part of something like that. :I (Besides with maptools, I mean. For starters, I don't think I know anyone IRL who knows how to GM.)
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« Reply #124 on: April 27, 2012, 02:10:49 am »

Glad that's working for you so far.

I've started taking a look at things that need to be changed in the basic rules already listed in the PDF. I'm not going to talk much about the  additions posted on the last page of this thread, other than to say that aside from the Cosmos Aspect, we'll probably use most of that. I need to go over it with a more critical eye at a later time.

There was also a recent changelog for a lot of the aggrievements, right here, which will take precedent over what's shown in the class list in the previous link. Also, Mage and Prince crap.

Anyway, general 'Problem Areas' that I see with the PDF as is. If anyone has any differing view-points, of course, let me hear them.

Basic Equipment:

Precision Melee-kind - Should most likely be reworked, maybe taking the smaller of it's two damage types, and getting a ridiculous +4 precision bonus. As it stands, it's just like Bladed Melee kind, only more unpredictable, and more time-consuming to resolve.

Crushing Melee-Kind - A little too powerful as is. Perhaps restrict the precision bonus to +1 instead of +2. I believe this was planned originally by the first team for 1.2, but only for 2 handed mode, which doesn't make much sense to me. To close the gap a bit for 1 handed mode versus two handed, I'd say bring that up to d12 instead of d10. That also keeps it useful compared to Reaching Melee, which would otherwise be straight up superior to Crushing.

Light and Heavy Ranged Kind - I think these should have the same ranges; 10 for 1 handed mode, and 15 for 2 handed. Once you change that, its only a light trade for power or accuracy, rather than be forced to go in close to use Light versus Heavy.

Armors: Possibly might be worth Nerfing Light Armor ever so slightly. I think for almost all of us, Heavy Armor's speed penalty just isn't worth a 1 point increase to AC, which doesn't even happen for most of us. In fact, in Mimi's case, Heavy Armor is WORSE for her. Giving Light Armor only 2+Img Or Acu Modifiers might be more... balanced, particularly for players who draw Mgt and Plc mains.

Alchemized Item Traits: Most of these are pretty well thought out, but some don't look worthwhile, at least to me. some things could be changed.

Weapon Traits:

Elemental Infusion: This looks like a really weak set-up to me. It just doesn't seem like a worthwhile way to add damage, one point at a time, especially compared to hardened edge. Alternatively, we might consider changing it to a two tier trait, buyable at 2 and 3 points, and granting half level to full level damage. That might be slightly over-powered though. We might want to run the numbers on that.

Weapon Power Traits:

Multi-Attack: There are two of these. One attacks additional targets, and the other adds extra individual attack rolls. One needs to be renamed.

Esoteric Attack: Pretty vague. This one might be worth just removing.

I also propose a new Power Trait to be added.

Reliable: At a two point cost (maybe higher, up to 3 maximum, I'd think,) missing with the power would recharge it, allowing you to attack with it again. Of course, you wouldn't be able to use this with the Inescapable trait.

Armor Traits:

Shield: The cost of this is too low to for the potential benefits, considering it functions as an additional set of armor for a measly .5 alchemy points, with the only downside being locking you in one handed abstratus mode. Frankly, I'm surprised no one took it. Or maybe I shouldn't be, since, in the case of characters who would grab it (i.e., Mimi) they are basically untouchable anyway. I say we either add some restrictions, like, say, the Shield item does not gain base armor benefits, and is merely a place to sack extra armor traits you couldn't drop on your armor proper. Alternatively, we could allow the base armor type benefits at half value, i.e +1 AC plus half you Acu or Img modifiers for a light shield. Last possibility would be to just throw the price through the roof, at like, 3 or 4 points.

Tough: 3 points for +1 armor class? Seems expensive to me.

Elemental Aura: Should be updated to not affect Minions: Otherwise it toasts them easily.

Armor Power Traits:

Soaring: Should require a duration purchase. It does for Item types that do this, and does so cheaper.

Item Traits:

Miscellaneous: Needs some examples, and probably some guidelines for associated point costs.

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Moving on. The Character Death section. It doesn't specify where character death occurs, or anything of that nature. The PDF is pretty stand-alone in a lot of other areas, so this is something worth mentioning there. 0 hit points is when a character is dying, and they must not fail more than 2 death saves to survive. If they reach the equivalent of negative their bloodied value hit points, they are dead, saving throws or not.

Also, the Entering the Medium section is very vague. It should mention skill challenge benchmarks that players should meet before going in, or suggestions for puzzles, or similar.

The section regarding the gates should be updated to more closely reflect canon. I'm willing to bet that most of you remember that discussion.

Underlings:

Aside from the inclusion of the enemies statted out since the release of 1.1, there needs to be a wider variety, and the inclusion of some enemies that have been seen, but are as yet unincluded. freeform statted out an enemy seen in the comic some time ago, and after some combat testing, I feel it'd make a good addition. The enemies John wipes out in Cascade are also probably worth adding, to give some late-game combatants, as the ones in there right now are only challenging up to level 8 or so, judging by their stats. Something to get in your way at 9th and even 10th level are worth having, but we won't need too many in those cases.

Another pressing matter is the inclusion of enemies with ranged option. The reason that that Restraining trait Org mentioned is such a game-breaker is that only the Basilisk underling has a ranged option before prototyping. Any character with Flight and a ranged-weapon is invulnerable very quickly. Giving Ogre's a fairly inaccurate boulder tossing ability could be a good start, for lower levels. An underling with dedicated range as it's base behavior would be a solid idea also, but it might need to be created from whole-cloth, and I don't know how I feel about that particularly.
In any case, more ranged options for the enemy would probably cut down on the bottleneck battles, and diversify how other battles are fought. All of the fights we have had so far mostly consist of both sides running up at each other and hitting the opponent as hard as they can possibly hit them until one side is dead. This is definitely at least partially my fault, but we haven't had much or any opportunity to really use the terrain in the game, and ridiculous ideas that turn battles on their head rely on that sort of thing, and are at the heart of any good TTRPG story you'd care to tell anyone.

Prototyping: Might be worth it to add some of the ones we created specifically for this game, just for the sake of completeness.

Well, that ended up being spectacularly long winded.

EDIT: Also, I now have a Steam, because of reasons.

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Re: Homestuck RPG OOC Thread (Home of the Bay12 v1.2 Homestuck RPG Build)
« Reply #125 on: April 27, 2012, 08:08:01 am »

I could work on the lore if you want, so you can focus on the mechanics.

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I'm not sure if I completely agree with the description of Mage and Prince. I want to redesgin them so that they are for people with actual problems rather then either being a Snob or Intelligent. In short, I think that they are made to exactly fit a certain stereotype or character to me, which is REALLY bad. I think they need to more open.
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« Reply #126 on: April 27, 2012, 09:04:42 am »

What's your Steam account Blade? I must know!

Anyway, I've got the initial couple of pages done similar to the 1.1 PDF. But if we're building the thing from scratch, I'm not going to be able to transcribe everything into a hundreds of pages doc myself. I'll probably have help editing it as a private google document or something.
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Re: Homestuck RPG OOC Thread (Home of the Bay12 v1.2 Homestuck RPG Build)
« Reply #127 on: April 27, 2012, 11:19:55 am »

Multi-Attack: There are two of these. One attacks additional targets, and the other adds extra individual attack rolls. One needs to be renamed.
The former can be called Multi-Target, and the latter Multi-Attack.

EDIT: Also, I now have a Steam, because of reasons.
Would these reasons happen to involve Dredmor? Just curious.
Also this:
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« Reply #128 on: April 27, 2012, 12:32:00 pm »

What's your Steam account Blade? I must know!

I have one too, and I'd be more than happy to help with the project.
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« Reply #129 on: April 27, 2012, 01:47:38 pm »

Several things I want to change with all of the Class description areas: I'd like to include their Canon descriptions, as UU mentioned. Like, One who protects with his Aspect, One who destroys with his Aspect, etc. Also, I'd like for both Aspects and Classes to be able to be described as one of the four class archetypes of 4th Edition.

Examples: The Knight Class is most often found in a Defender role.

The Witch Class is often found in a Leader Role.

The Prince Class is often found in a Striker Role.

The Bard Class, being a wild card, can be made to fit any of the four primary roles.


They won't be hard and fast, you are this class, you MUST perform this role deals, but I think a classes powers and traits should reflect a certain playstyle, based on what the Class is meant to do. As always, if you feel differently, get up in my grill and either change my mind or correct me or what have you.

John: Feel free. I think one of the hallmarks of mage characters is that they will often have low confidence, or sometimes just straight up self-loathing for reasons either real or imagined. The Prince, on the other hand, is often cocky or over-confident, though not to say it is never with justification.

As for the Steam account, my username is Blade, but it isn't letting me put people in my friends list, for reasons I don't understand. I only got this sucker yesterday, after all.

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« Reply #130 on: April 27, 2012, 01:59:58 pm »

John: Feel free. I think one of the hallmarks of mage characters is that they will often have low confidence, or sometimes just straight up self-loathing for reasons either real or imagined. The Prince, on the other hand, is often cocky or over-confident, though not to say it is never with justification.
You know exactly how I feel. :D

Also, I think that classes shouldn't be just restricted to a single Role. If possible there should be at least some choice in class role. For example, a Knight could choose to be either a Leader or a Defender, and some abilites or perks that you can choose to level up with could let you choose which of these roles to spec in.

And if anyone is up for it, I have a few ideas for a new Alchemy system thats not reliant on Leveling up.
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« Reply #131 on: April 27, 2012, 03:17:40 pm »

Also, I think that classes shouldn't be just restricted to a single Role. If possible there should be at least some choice in class role. For example, a Knight could choose to be either a Leader or a Defender, and some abilites or perks that you can choose to level up with could let you choose which of these roles to spec in.

I didn't mean to say that only one role would be open to a class, just that some classes will and should lean more toward some than others, I think.

And if anyone is up for it, I have a few ideas for a new Alchemy system thats not reliant on Leveling up.

Nah.

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« Reply #132 on: April 27, 2012, 03:21:07 pm »

As for the Steam account, my username is Blade, but it isn't letting me put people in my friends list, for reasons I don't understand. I only got this sucker yesterday, after all.

You have to have a game with a pricetag in your games list to add people. This is to combat spammers. I'll get you one like I did for apples, just direct me to the URL of your Steam userpage.
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« Reply #133 on: April 27, 2012, 07:46:21 pm »

My steam name is The Fool if/when someone wants to add me.
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« Reply #134 on: April 27, 2012, 09:55:10 pm »

http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198062479889

Ta-da, found it.

EDIT: Also, changed my name to Blade Master 42, because everyone and their mom is named Blade on Steam, apparently.
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