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[Sabreur]

Fisherdwarves! I swear, all the other forts must be sending all their fishers my way. We're in a swamp!  There's nothing to catch here except malaria!

[Loud Whispers]

Fisherdwarves! I swear, all the other forts must be sending all their fishers my way. We're in a swamp!  There's nothing to catch here except malaria!

Caverns. Catch jabberers, if they don't catch you >:]

[Splint]

With a full blown stream or a coast fisherdwarves can actually be quite useful....

[oven_baked]

I Hate migrants when my numbers reach about 70~100. As by that point i have all jobs well filled and the start of a military. Once the Population cap tag starts working again it will all be fine.
I have children problems but not from migrants, my resident dwarves are popping them out at about 10 a year!
1: They force you to expand and this is annoying when you relay on wood for fuel as you can easily strip the map of wood.
2: they kill your FPS.
3: Most of them are useless, which while it speeds up hauling is otherwise useless.
4: they bring useless pets, which because they are pets, that you can't slaughter for their Delicious meat.

The main pro is that Arena fights are more entertaining. Military dwarves can kill animals very quickly, but a couple of untrained migrants is fun to watch get torn apart by a pack of maddened animals! Also good practice for the doctors.

[Sabreur]

With a full blown stream or a coast fisherdwarves can actually be quite useful....

Credit where credit is due, they make a nice early warning system for goblin ambushes, so my important dwarves don't end up in coffins.  They also make it easy when I'm trying to fill out a militia and need another meatshield.  My last fort had a dozen fishery workers - 6 died in battle, 6 ended up leading their own 3-man hammerdwarf squads.

Heh, maybe that's why they keep coming.  Glorious death in battle and being remembered as a skilled hammerdwarf has to be better than getting eaten by an alligator and being memorialized as "That worthless guy who smelled like fish".

[saltmummy626]

its not the dwarves themselves I hate. its the twice damned children they bring along. goddamn children. crumb snatching, booze guzzling, bed filling, fps eating, useless bastard children. I usually burrow them outside next to the river so that snatchers/ambushes/wild animals will take away the ones that don't starve. with a little food they usually last a little while. If they can last until they grow up though, I allow them to stay. but they gotta do drudge work, like hauling or wall building. or furnace operation.

[Ferrus]

Most DF players are control freaks. Having a semi-random number of completely useless scrubs show up every once in a while is the antithesis of population control!

Also, even though you could kill them off, that just creates angry ghosts in the long run.

[simonthedwarf]

Which creates work in its own! All you want is for them to do something semi productive that doesnt show up as idling without in some way hurting your real dwarves. But nooooooo, migrants gotta cause trouble in all kinds of wayses.

[Tharwen]

Most DF players are control freaks.

I'm not! Sometimes I even go into Dwarf Therapist and activate every skill on every dwarf in the hope that it will get things done faster

[Haytrid]

I seem to recall you can't enable mining and wood-cutting at the same time though, I'm surprised your brain didn't explode when you were denied this.

Most DF players are control freaks.

I'm not! Sometimes I even go into Dwarf Therapist and activate every skill on every dwarf in the hope that it will get things done faster

[FrisianDude]

I don't hate them, I love them. I like the growth. Mind you, a few too many often, but eh.

[Broseph Stalin]

It generally goes like this, twenty dwarves can sustain themselves with almost zero micromanagement. Fourty dwarves require a good deal of micromanagement and because you have to specialize your workforce you only end up needing half of them. By the time you hit 200 ninety percent of the work is done by ten percent of the population. The problem is that the ninety percent of the population that's expendable does nothing but make friends and cause tantrum spirals by behaving (and dying) in an irresponsibly stupid fashion. Unless you're working on a mega project the only difference between having 40 dwarves and 1000 is how much booze you need.

[rtg593]

... massive 30+ waves of migrants every season...

... Massive? No. Normal? Yes. Waves in the 20's and 30's are normal, I'm surprised if I get one less than that, excluding the first 2 waves, that is. Those are usually tiny, 10, maybe 20, tops. If you're having trouble processing those...

Come talk to me when you're getting waves in the 60's and 70's. Then we'll discuss massive.

That comment was as far as I read, sorry if someone else already said something like this

I just lowered my popcap to 40. Did some math, decided that would be all I need for all the major industries, and around 80 I start hurting for fps, so that should keep it below that, theoretically.

[Garath]

breaching hell to get bedroom space for the migrants in your 2x2 embark, sounds like a plan.

[Ingus]

We don't hate migrants.
We just regret that they're not butcherable 

In my last fortress, last two migrants waves had brought a water shortage and a tantrum escalation.
Useless to say, next fortress will have a naked-fighting, often-dying and otherwise-secluded militia of migrants volunteers.