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« Reply #420 on: May 30, 2012, 12:53:04 pm »

That is the bug where fights didn't happen?  I heard complaints about that for the Asylon v Kabriniska+Astrum fight.
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« Reply #421 on: May 30, 2012, 12:55:51 pm »

That is the bug where fights didn't happen?  I heard complaints about that for the Asylon v Kabriniska+Astrum fight.

Nah. It's the bug where someone from Libero retained ownership of the region while it went to Summerdale.
He promptly seceded it back to Libero with all the militia we just dumped into it.
Fun times...
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« Reply #422 on: May 30, 2012, 12:58:11 pm »

Oh, that is nice, a few more bodies in your army instead of theirs probably could have helped tip things.
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« Reply #423 on: May 30, 2012, 12:59:17 pm »

Doesn't matter so much now, as Summerdale is losing the war against two(!) empires and has begun infighting. Goooooooooood times.
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« Reply #424 on: May 30, 2012, 02:15:00 pm »

I'd think a bunch of DF players would be more able to accept defeat, that's what I get -every- time I play DF.  You're approaching the situation from the standpoint that there -is- a magical way for Summerdale to win.  There isn't, short of Morek falling apart internally.  You can't just throw a bunch of new players at the war and expect to tip the scales.  I'm curious how you got the impression that Summerdale would be winning a bunch of battles?   It's not like Morek and Libero are played by NPC's that will stand still and expose weaknesses, those players know what they're doing too.

Economically, Morek and Libero have 6 times what Summerdale has.
Military strength, they have at least 4 times more.
They control the key regions complete with Militia.
It's like if there were two 15 year olds in a fight, then one's Pro MMA brother steps in to help.


Every player in Summerdale's military command knew that the last battle would likely be lost.   Not a certainly, but likely.   The alternative is to stand around until Morek and Libero feel like attacking, that doesn't sound fun to me.   Battlemaster is about RP, political intrigue and battles.   Not about whining or losing (misspelling intentional) and -definitely- not about jumping on forums to talk trash about your fellow players (although it happens way too often).  Yes, we're screwed... let's make the most of it and have fun.

Well, the thing is, you play out the losing situation in DF on the slim hope that you can win. And you continue to try. What Summerdale is doing is pointless resignation. Even your post is resigned. Your tactics are resigned. Who is inspired by complete resignation?

Liberorek is afraid to attack Nifel, but travels past it in uncoordinated groups. Stick your army in Odenir and rest up 12 hours, then hit when you have actually scouted and bought a damned calculator. If they move on Nifel, instead... it's just a 6 hour trip back, and you smash them there. Smash, smash, smash, guerrilla-style, never where they want you to be, never where they have two turns to know that you'll be.

When you smash them hard enough? Well, then you have Mount Black for the coup-de-grace, with just 3000 CS of militia guarding it now. Lull them into thinking your game is all about the north, then hit them there.

They're stretched out. They literally have no ability to move north without blobbing up for even the most routine refits, if the Summerdale general has so much as the brain of a goose. And no, standing around for months isn't fun, but you honestly think liberorek would not move north to continue its conquests? Or you think running back and forth from pre-lost battle, to recruitment, to pre-lost battle is fun? It's not fun... not even Fun, because Fun implies that you're still trying. Try. There is no better strategic ground on the map of dwilight, and you pissed it away. I doubt you have enough nobles to execute any strategy now but turtling in Nifel.

The players you got from this board are probably the best single group ever to come in one wave to BF, ever (repetition intentional). Don't come here and pretend that you got a raw deal. And yeah, I'm just a long-time lurker here. This post made me register because its so obtuse. If this were in game? Cairo would kick me now.
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« Reply #425 on: May 30, 2012, 02:34:19 pm »

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If this were in game? Cairo would kick me now.

To be fair to the leaders of Summerdale do you really think that a low ranking noble insulting the ruler and the general of the nation would not get kicked out. As Dwilight is a SMA realm the people have to RP like they were medieval nobles, any person doing what the people who were kicked out were doing would have likely been thrown in the dungeon or executed for doing that.
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« Reply #426 on: May 30, 2012, 02:45:25 pm »

King John... also ruler during badly planned wars!

To make this a bit clearer... medieval rulers were human beings, not modern cliches that always acted one way. King John would have quickly executed someone who insulted him, yeah, but when his kingdom was falling apart? Not so bloodthirsty to lose his nobles support.
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« Reply #427 on: May 30, 2012, 03:05:29 pm »

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Oh, you'd be shocked at how truly clueless many people really are about strategy and other military matters in BattleMaster, even some who have been self-proclaimed military geniuses since 2002 two weeks ago.

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Liberorek is afraid to attack Nifel, but travels past it in uncoordinated groups. Stick your army in Odenir and rest up 12 hours, then hit when you have actually scouted and bought a damned calculator. If they move on Nifel, instead... it's just a 6 hour trip back, and you smash them there. Smash, smash, smash, guerrilla-style, never where they want you to be, never where they have two turns to know that you'll be.

When you smash them hard enough? Well, then you have Mount Black for the coup-de-grace, with just 3000 CS of militia guarding it now. Lull them into thinking your game is all about the north, then hit them there.

They're stretched out. They literally have no ability to move north without blobbing up for even the most routine refits, if the Summerdale general has so much as the brain of a goose. And no, standing around for months isn't fun, but you honestly think liberorek would not move north to continue its conquests? Or you think running back and forth from pre-lost battle, to recruitment, to pre-lost battle is fun? It's not fun... not even Fun, because Fun implies that you're still trying. Try. There is no better strategic ground on the map of dwilight, and you pissed it away. I doubt you have enough nobles to execute any strategy now but turtling in Nifel.

Case in point.
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« Reply #428 on: May 30, 2012, 03:11:41 pm »

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« Reply #429 on: May 30, 2012, 03:19:16 pm »

King John... also ruler during badly planned wars!

To make this a bit clearer... medieval rulers were human beings, not modern cliches that always acted one way. King John would have quickly executed someone who insulted him, yeah, but when his kingdom was falling apart? Not so bloodthirsty to lose his nobles support.

Its not as if they banished them straight after the insult, it was the fact that they continued even after being warned that if they continued there would be consequences that made them get banished in the end
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« Reply #430 on: May 30, 2012, 03:23:18 pm »

Well, whatever. It's not that important. Andira was voluntary, and that was even worse. She could recruit a huge stack. Geefer wanted to know why Summerdale is giving us a different vibe than DF. Question answered.

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« Reply #431 on: May 30, 2012, 03:23:53 pm »

So let's see if I got this correctly... (And no, i'm not cutting into any ongoing topic in this thread) there's about 4 players here that's on Far East? Me included.
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« Reply #432 on: May 30, 2012, 04:22:28 pm »

Far East was boring, so I deleted my character there. Dwilight is much more fun, and no, I'm not in Summerdale.
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« Reply #433 on: May 30, 2012, 05:04:53 pm »

Well, there are some things you can get away, and there are others you cannot. Issuing orders contradicting your superiors while being a lowly knight? That will certainly get you in trouble, anywhere in BM. But calling the Royal General Duchess "stupid" while being a recently arrived young knight? I cannot think of a single realm that would pardon that, no matter the situation. Medieval times are all about reputation, and if the rulers accept that they may as well turn the crown to that knight.

The only time I called a King incompetent (and I did not dare use stupid) was when I was inciting a revolt. It's a serious break in any relationship, and past that point you have to make sure the person in question won't have strength to bite you back. Machiavelli FTW!
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« Reply #434 on: May 31, 2012, 09:29:23 am »

It's definitely worthwhile to stick to the SMA rules on Dwilight. Publicly attacking your liege or your superiors is a good way to get exiled -- moreover, other realms will not be very interested in you. It's an insult to the peerage itself. Private messages, worded tactfully, are the way to go. There were a lot of messages flying around that were, in my opinion, pretty clearly outside the scope of a serious medieval atmosphere.

I've always known Summerdale was going to lose this war, knew it before I signed up. That doesn't mean I won't try to win ... or won't do my best to lose with dignity, but I'm not real thrilled about the insults that were floating around the other day. I guess I didn't expect a tantrum spiral yet, heh.

But that's just my opinion, no need to go spreading it around.
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