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[NativeForeigner]

Spoiler: Whoops! Fixed. (click to show/hide)

So you're blind to if Shakerag even did it? Or are just evading?

I suppose it could true that Shakerag+another scum targeted him and only reported you two, but I'm not really sold on that theory. What do you have, beyond speculation, to prove that's what happened?

...So you, NativeForeigner, won't even try to get extra evidence from the one not under fire?...

Then forgot to answer this question.

While

why didn't anyone suspect, or state they suspected how GG rated them?

nobody specifically answered this.

Then it goes quiet once more.

I did answer that.

I'll also answer the general question. I didn't suspect or state how GG rated them because it made sense. That doesn't mean it was a good system. Like you said, it doesn't take metas into account. That's why I didn't bother to worry when my score turned out to be the lowest.

[Mr. Dwarfinton]

You're voting me because I'm jumping aboard bandwagon? Please review what happened to Dariush. If your only reason for voting for me is because I jumped on a bandwagon then I guess everyone who voted Dariush is scum too. Oh wait, Urist voted for Dariush. Weird huh?

As for the 'ass-covering' I was being nice but I guess being nice isn't allowed. And for the question bit, everyone else is asking questions. Betting about a fifth of the questions asked in this thread are just there so people don't get the weird way of thinking Urist has.

But hey if I need to ask a question then I guess I will.
Unvote Tiruin
Urist: Why do you use me getting on a bandwagon as a reason for voting for me even though you did that to Dariush?

[Urist Imiknorris]

Nice OMGUS there, Mr. D. You seem to be thinking that "bandwagoning" is simply voting someone who gets lynched. It's not. It's voting for the person with the most votes or who looks most likely to be lynched with no good reason for voting them.

You're voting me because I'm jumping aboard bandwagon? Please review what happened to Dariush. If your only reason for voting for me is because I jumped on a bandwagon then I guess everyone who voted Dariush is scum too. Oh wait, Urist voted for Dariush. Weird huh?

Remember how my vote on Dariush was originally an RVS vote that became a real vote due to his response? Remember how I was the first vote on him? You, on the other hand:

a) were the sixth person to vote Tiruin, with nothing other than "he's a nice guy but I'll toss my vote on the ever-growing pile" and
b) a halfhearted repeat of stuff Shakerag said, with
c) a further accusation of dodging questions that you haven't presented anything to support (and you should do that, because I and presumably others can't seem to find any of these ignored questions),
d) while at the same time ignoring Tiruin's questions to you. Hypocrisy is not a good thing.

scumscumscumscumscumscumscumscum

(I wonder if the lurker tracker picks up hex-valued red text. Only one way to find out I guess)

As for the 'ass-covering' I was being nice but I guess being nice isn't allowed.

Mafia is SRS BSNS where being a pedantic asshole is standard practice.

And for the question bit, everyone else is asking questions.

And how does other people asking questions help you find scum?

Betting about a fifth of the questions asked in this thread are just there so people don't get the weird way of thinking Urist has.

The fuck does this mean. The thinking that Shakerag might be your scumbuddy?

[Urist Imiknorris]

EBWOP:

(I wonder if the lurker tracker picks up hex-valued red text. Only one way to find out I guess)

It doesn't.

[NativeForeigner]

Mr. Dwarfington

[Mr. Dwarfinton]

I wasn't even paying attention to the Shakerag stuff. Sorry about missing that Native.

Urist
About ignoring Tiruin's post: His posts are giant and reading a post that has a 10% chance to involve me isn't really worth my time because I have better things to do, like play Age Of Empires or old Nintendo games.
About you saying that it's standard practice to be an asshole in Mafia: I have only played 1 other game of Mafia. During that no one was being extremely rude. If this is still a reason after you read this then it is as much a reason as Dariush's slip.
About other people asking questions: They have more experience. I have little experience They know how the people here play, I have no idea. Any questions I ask will probably be easily deflected.
About me saying half the questions are probably just there to be there: I said this because you used me not asking questions as a valid reason.

NativeForeigner
Sorry for not replying earlier.
The parroting question Uh I guess, I actually believe Tiruin is being suspicious and that he could be scum. Sorry for not asking questions.

Tiruin
Sorry about not seeing this.
Why I voted 99.99% sure I already explained this in the post where I voted.
The other question Urist is a pretty good lead. He immediately turns his attention to me when other people did exactly what I did, only they included questions.
Scumpick question
In order: 1. Urist.
2. Shakerag
3. Tiruin.
4. YOU. YES YOU READING THIS. YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE.

Questions
Native What Tiruin said. Why only go with your gut? Could it be that you are hungry and your gut is saying you should get pizza?

Urist Please supply a good reason as to why you supposedly visited GG when he died. If you already answered this then please direct me to the post.

Everyone Is being new and inexperienced good enough to warrant being lynched?

[Urist Imiknorris]

Urist
About ignoring Tiruin's post: His posts are giant and reading a post that has a 10% chance to involve me isn't really worth my time because I have better things to do, like play Age Of Empires or old Nintendo games.

About you saying that it's standard practice to be an asshole in Mafia: I have only played 1 other game of Mafia. During that no one was being extremely rude. If this is still a reason after you read this then it is as much a reason as Dariush's slip.

About other people asking questions: They have more experience. I have little experience They know how the people here play, I have no idea. Any questions I ask will probably be easily deflected.

About me saying half the questions are probably just there to be there: I said this because you used me not asking questions as a valid reason.

NativeForeigner
Sorry for not replying earlier.
The parroting question Uh I guess, I actually believe Tiruin is being suspicious and that he could be scum. Sorry for not asking questions.

Tiruin
Sorry about not seeing this.
Why I voted 99.99% sure I already explained this in the post where I voted.
The other question Urist is a pretty good lead. He immediately turns his attention to me when other people did exactly what I did, only they included questions.
Scumpick question
In order: 1. Urist.
2. Shakerag
3. Tiruin.
4. YOU. YES YOU READING THIS. YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE.

Why am I on your list twice? I don't get it. And why Shakerag over Tiruin?

Urist Please supply a good reason as to why you supposedly visited GG when he died. If you already answered this then please direct me to the post.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

So the enchant armor scroll didn't work.

Translation: I used an enchant armor scroll on him.

Everyone Is being new and inexperienced good enough to warrant being lynched?

You will get no sympathy from the town. What is interesting to note is that Tiruin still has five(?) votes on him, while you only have one, and you're worried about being lynched. Panicking much?

[Mr. Dwarfinton]

No, it was simply to see if everyone else shares your logic.
Shakerag because he's suspicious and Tiruin has supplied answers to several questions which other people have asked but I have thought.

[Urist Imiknorris]

if(Urist == derp)
  post == preview;
else
  post != preview;

Urist
About ignoring Tiruin's post: His posts are giant and reading a post that has a 10% chance to involve me isn't really worth my time because I have better things to do, like play Age Of Empires or old Nintendo games.

While I agree that old Nintendo games are very timeworthy, perhaps it would be in your best interest to actually be paying attention to the game. What if Tiruin had made some glaring slip-up in his giant wall of text that nobody else picked up on? You'd never know about it.

About you saying that it's standard practice to be an asshole in Mafia: I have only played 1 other game of Mafia. During that no one was being extremely rude. If this is still a reason after you read this then it is as much a reason as Dariush's slip.

Let me be more specific: Assholery is standard practice here in Bay 12's Mafia community.

About other people asking questions: They have more experience. I have little experience.

And how are you going to gain experience if you don't do anything?

They know how the people here play, I have no idea.

There are a bunch of threads here of past games. If you had time to waste

Any questions I ask will probably be easily deflected.

Probably. But then again, maybe not. If you don't try, you won't get anything. And if someone deflects a good question, they're most likely going to get called on it.

About me saying half the questions are probably just there to be there: I said this because you used me not asking questions as a valid reason.

Are you saying that a significant proportion of the questions being asked are being asked so that people don't go after the askers for not asking questions, and that scumhunting is simply a secondary concern to not being hunted oneself? While that is probably true, the questions asked for the sake of questioning someone are probably being asked by the scum (being, as they are, without a need to hunt scum). Because that's the scum's mentality - look like you're hunting scum and for the love of god don't get lynched.

Tiruin has supplied answers to several questions which other people have asked but I have thought.

Which questions in particular?

[Toaster]

Vote Count:

Jack A T: 
Darvi: 
Tiruin: NativeForeigner, Darvi, Jack A T, Shakerag
NativeForeigner:
Shakerag: Tiruin
Urist Imiknorris: Mr. Dwarfinton
Flandre: 
Mr. Dwarfinton: Urist Imiknorris

Not Voting:  Flandre,

Day 2 will last until Monday, 4/30 at 11 PM.


Flandre is requesting a replacement.

Mod Toast: In the description of Enchant Armor was: 25% kill resistance, does this pertain to the scum NK, or to item usage that leads to death?

Any source of kills, including the Mafiakill, Scroll of Death, Scroll of Self Defense, Scroll of Hellfire, etc etc etc.

Define 'Kill'?

The Mafiakill or any item that directly kills another player.  This includes all in the previous question except the Scroll of Self Defense.  Item class is listed in the great big item spreadsheet linked in the OP.

[Tiruin]

I suppose it could true that Shakerag+another scum targeted him and only reported you two, but I'm not really sold on that theory. What do you have, beyond speculation, to prove that's what happened?

Waiting on Shakerag for one. Hoping that everyone would be more active, other than spending their vote on an investigate-choice.

Define 'Kill'?

The Mafiakill or any item that directly kills another player.  This includes all in the previous question except the Scroll of Self Defense.  Item class is listed in the great big item spreadsheet linked in the OP.

Hm, I wonder how Shakerag got his targets then?


First of all, I'm happy that activity is seen.

Second of all, Mr.Dwarfinton, Y U OMGUS and insult me on my post? (Shakerag, Mr.D just became a hell lot more scummy.)

Mr.D:

I wasn't even paying attention to the Shakerag stuff. Sorry about missing that Native.

You apologize to Native, yet don't answer my question?!

"Oh look, Giant post! 10% involve chance! Nuuuuu!"

Spoiler: :I (click to show/hide)

I haven't had a lot of time to get on, I probably should have mentioned that 2 days ago. Anyway:

After reading all the stuff I missed, voting Tiruin even though he's a nice guy. He's trying to get us to inspect a list that a dude guy came up with even though it is sensible and he seems to be trying to avoid questions.

Not trying to avoid questions, see the sentence at the top of this post. It had all the answers, which I will post again. See: Every other statement in this post.

Anyway, the list which I've stated was my reason before GlyphGryph flipped town. Basically, other than most of the debate yesterday (Mafia terms), he was suspicious from the list, as Dariush was doing a grammatical error and my vote was stuck on Shakerag due to...other-Mafia knowledge error, if that's the term for his derp.

What makes you vote for me, exactly, when I'm stating what drove me to block GG? Also, what then do you think is a good lead, if that is what I can see you try to do there? Who are your top scumpicks?

Then you ignore MY POST that was obviously directed at you, and say that to Urist?

Spoiler: Insulting. (click to show/hide)

Urist
About ignoring Tiruin's post: His posts are giant and reading a post that has a 10% chance to involve me isn't really worth my time because I have better things to do, like play Age Of Empires or old Nintendo games.

Guess what Mafia is about? Finding scum, and by your own words here, you're evading my point!

Oh wait, you did answer me.

But Hm, one/more mistakes:

Why I voted 99.99% sure I already explained this in the post where I voted.
The other question Urist is a pretty good lead. He immediately turns his attention to me when other people did exactly what I did, only they included questions.
Scumpick question
In order: 1. Urist.
2. Shakerag
3. Tiruin.
4. YOU. YES YOU READING THIS. YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE.

Firstly, if Shakerag was of higher priority than me, why vote me? Why is Shakerag suspicious? You Buddying your accomplice there?

Second, who are you referring to in the fourth question without even trying to scumhunt on other people (other than the one who voted you)? That strikes me as jumpy. I read that. Toaster read that. Everyone else who bothers to find scum reads posts.

Thirdly-ish:
If you had explained it in the post in which you've voted me:

I haven't had a lot of time to get on, I probably should have mentioned that 2 days ago. Anyway:

After reading all the stuff I missed, voting Tiruin even though he's a nice guy. He's trying to get us to inspect a list that a dude guy came up with even though it is sensible and he seems to be trying to avoid questions.

This is a weak reason why. I'm stating why I did the block, why can't you further explain more on me or at least question me why? Stating it in a declamatory sentence is just like stating "Must be scum. Lynch!" without even giving the benefit of the doubt.

That, is bandwagoning, sir. Voting the one with a lot of red on him.

And, you don't even try to question Shakerag as he is on your list?

I wasn't even paying attention to the Shakerag stuff. Sorry about missing that Native.

Yeah. Sure.

[Tiruin]

EBWOP:

Remove the quote on Toaster. I Accidental the Vote-count post.

[Jack A T]

But one thing hit me, why didn't anyone suspect, or state they suspected how GG rated them?

Tiruin: People didn't immediately answer this because you didn't actually aim it at anyone or even everyone, I think.  That, and it's a dumb question.  My answer: Maybe it had to do with the results fitting the explicit reasons for the ratings quite well, leaving a serious lack of reason to wonder?  I didn't see the list during the day when it was posted.  What on earth did you intend to get out of this question?

So you're blind to if Shakerag even did it? Or are just evading?

I suppose it could true that Shakerag+another scum targeted him and only reported you two, but I'm not really sold on that theory.

NativeForeigner: There's a difference between not really being sold on a theory that has been brought up a lot in the thread, but considering it to be possible, and acting as if there is no way it could be possible.

Everyone Is being new and inexperienced good enough to warrant being lynched?

Mr. Dwarfinton: Desperate and scared, I see.  Under the force of one vote and a few FoSes, you're shouting at everyone about the chance of you being lynched for "being new and inexperienced".
OH WAIT NOPE!

No, it was simply to see if everyone else shares your logic.

It's not a panicked attempt to get out of a not-even-close-to-a-lynch!  It's clearly an attempt to see if people agree with Urist's logic about your bandwagoning/terrible OMGUS/ignorance of questions, by asking them if they like kicking puppies think lynching people for being new and inexperienced is good!

So, why exactly did you ask everybody a loaded, "OH NO I'M A POOR POOR NEWBIE DON'T LYNCH ME" question if you were looking for views on Urist's arguments, when you could've just, you know, asked about views on Urist's arguments?

Unvote, vote Mr. Dwarfinton.

[Toaster]

Hapah has replaced Flandre.



Vote Count:

Jack A T: 
Darvi: 
Tiruin: NativeForeigner, Darvi, Shakerag
NativeForeigner:
Shakerag:
Urist Imiknorris: Mr. Dwarfinton
Hapah: 
Mr. Dwarfinton: Urist Imiknorris, Tiruin, Jack A T

Not Voting:  Hapah

Day 2 will last until Monday, 4/30 at 11 PM.

[Hapah]

My first Bay12 Mafia game. Play nice!

Lots of catching up to do! I'll see if I can sneak in a read and a post before bed, but no promises.