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Author Topic: One Thrall Killed 249 Dorfs. Help?  (Read 20299 times)

Ubiq

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Re: One Thrall Killed 249 Dorfs. Help?
« Reply #30 on: April 06, 2012, 05:01:23 pm »

He ignores the bolts entirely, and the militia empty their quivers. At 25 bolts per dwarf and 60 guys firing, he shrugged off 1500 bolts. He has a bruised lip and broken rib after all of this, and that's all.

I would imagine that this was at least part of your trouble; a lot of those would have been misses since they were untrained, but those that didn't were either batted away (training weapon skill), blocked (training shield skill), or deflected (training armor skill).  He doesn't get tired or suffers pain from a lucky shot, which is what usually kills a dwarf with legendary combat skills when being shot at; that broken rib would likely have dropped him out of pain and resulted in a headshot if he had felt it. As it happened, the thrall that walked into your fort was still on the same level as your axelords and probably would have lost if several of them had attacked at once, but the thing that walked out of that hail of bolts was vastly stronger. You'd have been much better off having those marksdwarves swarming him with regular weapons if only for the chance that one of them manages to luck out and cripple him by breaking a leg or severing his spine. If nothing else, slaughtering them wouldn't have given him anywhere near as much experience.

A nice field of spike traps and a lever might have solved this for you with much less trouble since those ignore [TRAPAVOID]; it almost certainly wouldn't have killed him thanks to how thralls work, but it might have crippled him for your axelords.
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« Reply #31 on: April 06, 2012, 05:14:19 pm »

Husks are mobile giant sponges. If you can reduce it to just a torso, than clean it and use it as a training dummy. If it's carrying any weapons,seal it off and never look back.
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« Reply #32 on: April 06, 2012, 05:17:11 pm »

Husks are mobile giant sponges. If you can reduce it to just a torso, than clean it and use it as a training dummy. If it's carrying any weapons,seal it off and never look back.

You can kill husks if you use cutting damage.  Though that's pretty much the only thing that works besides cave-ins and obsidian.
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Re: One Thrall Killed 249 Dorfs. Help?
« Reply #33 on: April 06, 2012, 05:19:48 pm »

wouldnt you be able to use water flow to knock it down a tile and stun it? if so it may be possible to make a waterflow cage trap that does work on husks. walla, your very own trainning target for the marksdorfs if its strong. or a seige killer in its own right.
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Re: One Thrall Killed 249 Dorfs. Help?
« Reply #34 on: April 06, 2012, 05:21:03 pm »

wouldnt you be able to use water flow to knock it down a tile and stun it? if so it may be possible to make a waterflow cage trap that does work on husks. walla, your very own trainning target for the marksdorfs if its strong. or a seige killer in its own right.

Husks are [NOSTUN].
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« Reply #35 on: April 06, 2012, 05:23:53 pm »

Husks are mobile giant sponges. If you can reduce it to just a torso, than clean it and use it as a training dummy. If it's carrying any weapons,seal it off and never look back.

You can kill husks if you use cutting damage.  Though that's pretty much the only thing that works besides cave-ins and obsidian.

You're right about the cave-ins, but husks can survive bisection and decapitation.
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« Reply #36 on: April 06, 2012, 05:28:28 pm »

You're right about the cave-ins, but husks can survive bisection and decapitation.

Are you talking about husks with heads and an upper and lower body?  I could see that if it has [BODY:BASIC_1PARTBODY], a husk would be invincible, but I thought decapitation and bisection was a 100% way to kill everything that had those bodyparts to cut off.
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« Reply #37 on: April 06, 2012, 05:33:22 pm »

I have killed a husk via decapitation.  In fact, I've killed two or three husks that way.
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Re: One Thrall Killed 249 Dorfs. Help?
« Reply #38 on: April 06, 2012, 06:22:30 pm »

Husks are mobile giant sponges. If you can reduce it to just a torso, than clean it and use it as a training dummy. If it's carrying any weapons,seal it off and never look back.

You can kill husks if you use cutting damage.  Though that's pretty much the only thing that works besides cave-ins and obsidian.

You're right about the cave-ins, but husks can survive bisection and decapitation.

False, bisection and decapitation kill anything currently, and are one of the few ways to end husks. Did you read the rest of this thread?

Giant sponges have only one body part, so you can't cut them in half. Sponge men are pathetic against slashing damage, but can soak blunt damage.

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« Reply #39 on: April 06, 2012, 06:31:33 pm »

I suggest you release the clowns and see how he does against them. If he wins, then you've saved the world from HFS...

BUT AT WHAT COST?! A singular immortal terror might be worse than a horde of malicious, yet woundable demons.
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« Reply #40 on: April 06, 2012, 06:34:34 pm »

I suggest you release the clowns and see how he does against them. If he wins, then you've saved the world from HFS...

BUT AT WHAT COST?! A singular immortal terror might be worse than a horde of malicious, yet woundable demons.

In the last husk thread we had someone did that already.  The husks won.

...Yes, something's seriously off when one husk can beat what's officially called the "endgame" of dwarf fortress.
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« Reply #41 on: April 06, 2012, 06:35:56 pm »

Husks are mobile giant sponges. If you can reduce it to just a torso, than clean it and use it as a training dummy. If it's carrying any weapons,seal it off and never look back.

You can kill husks if you use cutting damage.  Though that's pretty much the only thing that works besides cave-ins and obsidian.

You're right about the cave-ins, but husks can survive bisection and decapitation.

False, bisection and decapitation kill anything currently, and are one of the few ways to end husks. Did you read the rest of this thread?

Giant sponges have only one body part, so you can't cut them in half. Sponge men are pathetic against slashing damage, but can soak blunt damage.

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Re: One Thrall Killed 249 Dorfs. Help?
« Reply #42 on: April 06, 2012, 06:41:23 pm »

20

Need moar Dwarfs

danger-room trained, unstoppable

:|

Still trying to find ways to kill husks sadly. *Sigh* these Eldritch abominations will be the death of me.

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Re: One Thrall Killed 249 Dorfs. Help?
« Reply #43 on: April 07, 2012, 12:25:05 am »

About the only way you could ever think of stopping the husked steel clad axe lord would be with a group (or two) of Elite Wrestlers to strip it of all equipment and break everything.  Then the rest of the military can move in for the kill.
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Re: One Thrall Killed 249 Dorfs. Help?
« Reply #44 on: April 07, 2012, 12:28:27 am »

A thrall from an unremarkable peasant dwarf is a good match for the average clown.
An axelord who is heavily armoured and very muscular gets a further buff to all stats, putting him into the realms of near impossibility.

Not to mention, there is that theory that the more kills a creature gets, the stronger it becomes (not from skill use, but from +1 notables).

Finally, it was trapavoid because it knew your fort as a dwarf, so it ignores traps, as normal dwarves do.
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