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[Tehsapper]

Well, I like and dislike that idea at same time.
At first, I don't think Toady will ever add non-heterosexual relationships (and poo, urine) even when he will move on relations&sex rewrite.
But that could be implemented in likeness to specific person based on someone's tastes, like Urist likes Meng for his golden hair, because Urist likes golden color. If Meng and Urist are male dwarves, and Urist find Meng absolutetly perfect by his tastes and he's not somewhat homophobic&he doesn't care about authority much, successfully embrasing civ's ethics, that could lead to interesting results: Urist likes Meng, but Meng hates homosexuals and finds Urist's winks and flowers (mushrooms/gems/etc) absolutly disgusting, so Urist accumulates negative thoughts from being rejected and goes into tanthrum, starting the fall of fortress. What a tragedy.
That's much more deeper than just homo|hetero boolean logic.
That also requires adding special ethics tag, that will judge civ's views on... perversion? (I don't think that homosexuality is normal, that's my personal view). Like, goblins (or elves) will slightly care about that, but humans won't tolerate perverts and will burn them to crisp.
Gay fortress? Oh no, please, let us disable that in d_init file.
So, I don't think that feature should add only homosexual relationships, that's just too... plain somewhat? (Don't know how to name that, sorry for my English, I'm not a native speaker) Other forms of non-standart sexual behavior (define standart sexual behavior using ethics) should be integrated with this (like, Urist likes tigers for their stripped hide and so he's attracted to that tame female tigerman, but that conflicts with his civ's ethic view on non-same race sex).
After all, it's a very major overhaul of relationships and I doubt that Toady will do that just to add gay dwarves for your pleasure.

[luisedgm]

Im 100% against homosexual dwarves, its really not very dwarfy

But Elves and Humans can be gay, i won't mind it.

[Darthlawsuit]

Even a dwarf knows where to put his thing and where to not put it.

[JackOSpades]

have you ever looked at the description of a female dwarf? They have freaking beards.

 I hypothesize that dwarfs physiology has but one gender and that it's is individual preference whether they Identify as "male" or "Female" homosexuality is thus already covered in the game and is in fact the norm.

[Monk321654]

have you ever looked at the description of a female dwarf? They have freaking beards.

 I hypothesize that dwarfs physiology has but one gender and that it's is individual preference whether they Identify as "male" or "Female" homosexuality is thus already covered in the game and is in fact the norm.

The "Female Has Beards" thing is technically not Vanilla.
It's easy to mod in. (Toady included a Tag that isn't []'d, so that's simple enough.)
Although the only real difference between the two besides beards is Females Give Birth.
And stuff.
I might have missed your message.

[catoblepas]

I'd be in favor of more development in the area of sexuality in DF, such as the inclusion of heterosexual, bisexual, homosexual, asexual, transgender dwarves/elves etc. I think that the addition of traits such as these would help to further distinguish dwarves from each other, making each individual even more unique then the current personality/appearance traits allow for. Sexuality has been an important factor in cultures worldwide, so I don't think it is an unimortant aspect that should be excluded. On a related note, I think that there should be civilization defined gender-aligned clothing options in the raws. It would make it mroe meaningful when you get a male dwarf wearing a dress, instead of another example of all dwarves drawing from the same pool of articles of clothing randomly.

[Babylon]

There were no homo(sexuals) in Lord of the Rings, therefore none are needed in Dwarf Fortress.  If they were put in I'd remove them from the raws.

Dwarf Fortress is not derivative of Lord of the Rings, it is it's own game.  The elves in Lord of the Rings were not cannibals either, and they used metal. 

[Elanorea]

There were no homo(sexuals) in Lord of the Rings, therefore none are needed in Dwarf Fortress.  If they were put in I'd remove them from the raws.

Dwarf Fortress is not derivative of Lord of the Rings, it is it's own game.  The elves in Lord of the Rings were not cannibals either, and they used metal.

Neither were there thrips men or demons made of vomit or giant hamsters or syndromes that made your skin melt.
And unlike homosexuality, you can't apply the "like the real world unless otherwise specified" argument to including them.
Really, if you want to mod the game to be a LotR-simulator, homosexuality is the least of your worries.

[Darthlawsuit]

So what you are trying to say: I don't want you to add more features or fix the bugs in the current features. I want you to make homo dwarves because I said so.

[TSTwizby]

No, he's saying 'hey, I think it would be a neat idea to add in homosexuality to the game at some point, to give it some more flavor and make relationships more interesting'. The important differences being that this is a proposed goal rather than a demand requiring instant fulfullment and that there is a reason behind it rather than being arbitrary.

[Darthlawsuit]

No, he's saying 'hey, I think it would be a neat idea to add in homosexuality to the game at some point, to give it some more flavor and make relationships more interesting'. The important differences being that this is a proposed goal rather than a demand requiring instant fulfullment and that there is a reason behind it rather than being arbitrary.

Right now he has a hundred sticknotes of features to add. He then needs to fix the bugs and add a GUI. Then do improvements and......... etc

Adding homo's does not add any gameplay value what-so-ever. Therefore it is a waste of time.

[TSTwizby]

It may not add any value for you. Obviously, other people think it would add value for them. It is much less 'your game' than it is 'our game', though not as much as it is 'Toady's game'.

[catoblepas]

No, he's saying 'hey, I think it would be a neat idea to add in homosexuality to the game at some point, to give it some more flavor and make relationships more interesting'. The important differences being that this is a proposed goal rather than a demand requiring instant fulfullment and that there is a reason behind it rather than being arbitrary.

Right now he has a hundred sticknotes of features to add. He then needs to fix the bugs and add a GUI. Then do improvements and......... etc

Adding homo's does not add any gameplay value what-so-ever. Therefore it is a waste of time.

I haven't seen any arguments that adding alternative sexualities to the game would not add gameplay value to DF. Cultural variety would be increased, and it would add depth to individual dwarves by fleshing out their personalities. DF already tracks many aspects of Dwarven personality, so why not sexual orientation, when it is such an important aspect of culture in the real world and has been for millenia? This is definately necessarily a waste of time, instead it is just one of many suggestions that would add depth and complexity to the game. Right now gender and sexuality means very little in DF, with the only tangible diffrence between males and females being gendered pronouns and who gives birth to children, and only one form of sexuality, but it does not always need to be that way. I am generally for the addition of features that would add depth to this game, and the expansion of the role of gender expression & sexual preference is definately one of these areas where I am in favor of expansion.

[Baselope]

Is there a Monty Python skit on homosexual dwarfism?

And what would you call a male homosexual dwarf vampire?  Ok, extremely bad joke, I know.  Keep reading though, i get better.

Should I allow them in the militia?

Will only the female butch dwarfs grow beards?  There are a host of options like this that would allow for a very large toggle-board on these kinds of things in a sensibly made mod.

And darn-it why can't we have interspecies breeding.  Really.  As an in-game toggle option.  Affecting race relations as if you include a dwarf-goblin or dwarf-kobold mix, the elves might start getting a little testy.  Talk about "race relations".  As long as cats and dogs are not allowed to interbreed, I think the laws of nature will be basically left intact.  Hey, maybe some randy kobold thief could actually LEAVE a child rather than steal one, ha!!

I'm already a half-troll, so I know this can work.  Seriously though, i would after becoming a better player of vanilla maybe look to try this kind of mod (a general multi-sexuality model rather than the "necessary" procreation driven sexuality) and test it out.  I think the best way to go is a good mod to start, and if it works game-play wise and adds important or very interesting game consequences, let's get it voted for.  Homosexuality on its own though doesn't seem more than a blip of a change i'd barely notice or care about.

[TSTwizby]

And darn-it why can't we have interspecies breeding.  Really.  As an in-game toggle option.  Affecting race relations as if you include a dwarf-goblin or dwarf-kobold mix, the elves might start getting a little testy.  Talk about "race relations".  As long as cats and dogs are not allowed to interbreed, I think the laws of nature will be basically left intact.  Hey, maybe some randy kobold thief could actually LEAVE a child rather than steal one, ha!!

Well, if we had interspecies breeding the results would necessarily be infertile. Otherwise you would, by definition, have the same species. Not sure if you care about this however.