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I consider it an essential part of Dwaf Fortress, and can't play without it.

119 (18.4%)

I use it for pretty screenshots, but otherwise don't use it during play.

211 (32.7%)

I only try it occasionally.

174 (27%)

I have no idea why I'm even in this thread, I don't use it.

141 (21.9%)

Total Members Voted: 642

[Rose]

Not at the moment.

[lethosor]

I think the main obstacle there is the lack of 64-bit allegro, but there could also be some compiler errors to sort out.

[jecowa]

Would a 32-bit StoneSense work fine with 64-bit Dwarf Fortress?

[lethosor]

No, because it runs in-process.

There was some effort put into getting it to run out-of-process, and it uses RemoteFortressReader for some things, but that's not complete yet.

[DragonDePlatino]

Have you considered porting Stonesense to another rendering library? From what I understand, Allegro is a very old rendering library that doesn't even support hardware-accelerated graphics...Recently I've been using SFML which is a very powerful and easy-to-use successor to SDL 2.0. Native support for PNGs, vertex arrays and GLSL shaders, too!

[lethosor]

I believe one reason that Allegro was chosen was because trying to use SDL in two threads at once causes issues (not to mention that SDL 1.2 only supports one window). I wouldn't want to replace it with something else myself, and I'm not sure Stonesense strictly needs the extra performance boost and other features, but I'm not opposed to using something else.

SFML does have some advantages over SDL, but SDL also has its advantages, so I wouldn't say SFML is a successor, really. (There was actually an SDL release 3 days ago - not that that's a good metric, or representative, since the release before that was in January, but SDL is still pretty well-maintained.)

[Rose]

Your info is out of date.

The version of allegro that stonesense uses does use hardware acceleration, and was bleeding edge new when it was put into stonesense.


Currently, allegro is being maintained more than stonesense is,  which should tell you something.

[DragonDePlatino]

Ah, yes. I guess that was a misconception on my part. Compared to SDL 2.0, I rarely hear about Allegro being used.

A bit off-topic: Is Allegro a good rendering library compared to its contemporaries? I've heard it has support for indexed palettes and different rgb colorspaces so I've always been curious to try it. The C binding of SFML is a bit awkward to use but I've heard Allegro works well with C.

[Rose]

Sadly, indexed pallette support went out when gpu support came in.

It's decent enough, at any rate. I haven't used SDL, so I can't make a comparison.

[Jawa457]

I am getting an error "Stonesense is not a valid command". how can I activate stonesense

[lethosor]

What version of DFHack? (And what OS and build?)

[Jawa457]

 I just pulled the latest windows zip link off of github

[lethosor]

Okay, but which one?

Edit: If it's 0.43.05-alpha2, it probably doesn't include Stonesense, but it's helpful if you can idenfity which DFHack version you're using (it's part of the filename of the file you downloaded, and it's displayed on the title screen and in the DFHack console on startup). There are also 32-bit and 64-bit Windows versions now, and it's possible that only one of them doesn't have Stonesense, but I think neither of them do.

[PeridexisErrant]

IIRC commands are case-sensitive - are you typing "Stonesense" or "stonesense"?  There is a difference!

[Jawa457]

0.43.05 alpha 1