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[ydaraishy]

Has anyone figured out the details on how this tag works?  Searching for it only gave me custom vampire interactions very similar to generated vanilla ones, which isn't where I'm going here.  There seems to be much more to how this tag works.

Looking at the string-dump, I see the following arguments which appear to be associated with it:

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ALCOHOLIC
COMBATHARDNESS
TIME_SINCE_BREAK
PARTIED_OUT
MILK_COUNTER
EGG_SPENT
GROUNDED_ANIMAL_ANGER
TIME_SINCE_SUCKED_BLOOD
DRINKING_BLOOD

The only one that appears in vanilla is DRINKING_BLOOD, which is used to lengthen vampire teeth when they're feeding. As for the others, they seem to be related to what their names suggest (e.g. COMBATHARDNESS to amount of trauma suffered), but I cannot find any info on what criteria they refer to.

Also, I'm puzzled about the arguments following that (in vampires it's [CE:COUNTER_TRIGGER:DRINKING_BLOOD:1:NONE:REQUIRED].  I'm guessing that the "1" is either the number of times it's happened, or some kind of time period.  Is there anyway to set it, so that the syndrome that goes with it takes effect before, e.g. DRINKING_BLOOD?

[NobodyPro]

I am intrigued... but am unable to conduct !!Science!! at the moment.

[davros]

I'd like to know what it does.

[IndigoFenix]

There seem to be a whole bunch, and for all kinds of things.  I wonder if it's possible to make creatures do interesting things when at parties, or to encourage (without forcing) above-ground play by causing nasty effects to creatures that spend too much time in caves.

[EmperorJon]

Some more info here.

I might try some SCIENCE... see if I can get Dwarves to mutate into a mad beast if they don't have alcohol for long enough.

[EmeraldWind]

Some more info here.

I might try some SCIENCE... see if I can get Dwarves to mutate into a mad beast if they don't have alcohol for long enough.

I am getting sober... you won't like me, when I'm sober.

[IndigoFenix]

Been running some tests with the tag.  Usage of counter triggers opens up whole new possibilities!

For instance, I wanted to make a species with negative cave adaptation - it gradually grows dizzier and less efficient as it grows cave adapted, thereby encouraging you to build the bulk of your fortress above the surface without hindering short trips below ground to get stone and such.  The following interaction accomplishes this objective quite nicely.

Here's the interaction (the time periods and severity of the syndromes can be adjusted):

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[INTERACTION:SPELUNCAPHOBIA]
[I_TARGET:A:CREATURE]
[IT_LOCATION:CONTEXT_CREATURE]
[I_EFFECT:ADD_SYNDROME]
[IE_TARGET:A]
[IE_IMMEDIATE]
[SYNDROME]
[CE_DIZZINESS:SEV:10:PROB:100:RESISTABLE:START:0:PEAK:1]
[CE:COUNTER_TRIGGER:CAVE_ADAPT:8400:16800:REQUIRED]
[CE_DIZZINESS:SEV:100:PROB:100:RESISTABLE:START:0:PEAK:1]
[CE:COUNTER_TRIGGER:CAVE_ADAPT:16800:33600:REQUIRED]
[CE_DIZZINESS:SEV:1000:PROB:100:RESISTABLE:START:0:PEAK:1]
[CE:COUNTER_TRIGGER:CAVE_ADAPT:33600:NONE:REQUIRED]

And put this part in the creature:

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[CAVE_ADAPT]
[CAN_DO_INTERACTION:SPELUNCAPHOBIA]
[CDI:TARGET:A:SELF_ONLY]
[CDI:WAIT_PERIOD:33600]
[CDI:FREE_ACTION]


[expwnent]

Great stuff! Have you figured out what the arguments mean? Is 33600 the maximum amount of cave adapation, or is that just something you picked?

Also, why the WAIT_PERIOD?

[Putnam]

33600 is a month, which I think is the time for the first stage of cave adaptation.

[Hugo_The_Dwarf]

Great stuff! Have you figured out what the arguments mean? Is 33600 the maximum amount of cave adapation, or is that just something you picked?

Also, why the WAIT_PERIOD?

True since these never end you might as well add [IT_CANNOT_TARGET_IF_ALREADY_AFFECTED]

Been running some tests with the tag.  Usage of counter triggers opens up whole new possibilities!

For instance, I wanted to make a species with negative cave adaptation - it gradually grows dizzier and less efficient as it grows cave adapted, thereby encouraging you to build the bulk of your fortress above the surface without hindering short trips below ground to get stone and such.  The following interaction accomplishes this objective quite nicely.

Here's the interaction (the time periods and severity of the syndromes can be adjusted):

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[INTERACTION:SPELUNCAPHOBIA]
[I_TARGET:A:CREATURE]
[IT_LOCATION:CONTEXT_CREATURE]
[I_EFFECT:ADD_SYNDROME]
[IE_TARGET:A]
[IE_IMMEDIATE]
[SYNDROME]
[CE_DIZZINESS:SEV:10:PROB:100:RESISTABLE:START:0:PEAK:1]
[CE:COUNTER_TRIGGER:CAVE_ADAPT:8400:16800:REQUIRED]
[CE_DIZZINESS:SEV:100:PROB:100:RESISTABLE:START:0:PEAK:1]
[CE:COUNTER_TRIGGER:CAVE_ADAPT:16800:33600:REQUIRED]
[CE_DIZZINESS:SEV:1000:PROB:100:RESISTABLE:START:0:PEAK:1]
[CE:COUNTER_TRIGGER:CAVE_ADAPT:33600:NONE:REQUIRED]

And put this part in the creature:

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[CAVE_ADAPT]
[CAN_DO_INTERACTION:SPELUNCAPHOBIA]
[CDI:TARGET:A:SELF_ONLY]
[CDI:WAIT_PERIOD:33600]
[CDI:FREE_ACTION]


Exellent science. Now time for me to play with these as well

EDIT:
where is this list of counters? like the CAVE_ADAPT

EDIT2:
Derp I glazed over it in the wiki page http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2012:Syndrome
But how did ydaraishy find "COMBATHARDNESS"?

[Putnam]

http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Syndrome#Special_Effects

[IndigoFenix]

Great stuff! Have you figured out what the arguments mean? Is 33600 the maximum amount of cave adapation, or is that just something you picked?

Also, why the WAIT_PERIOD?

33600 is a month, but was completely arbitrary.  The first noticeable stage of cave adaptation is a year (403200) when going outside causes bad thoughts, they start vomiting from going outside at 1.5 years (604800) and 800000 is the maximum.  By the way, cave adaptation doesn't go away instantly when they go outside, it seems to decline slowly as they spend time outside.

The WAIT_PERIOD was also arbitrary - really the action only operates once, since the effect lasts for life, but I put in a large wait period to keep them from constantly trying to use the interaction, which might cause slowdown maybe.

COMBATHARDNESS just showed up recently on the wiki, I think.  That one could be fun... giving a warrior race bonuses as they experience more of the battlefield...

[Hugo_The_Dwarf]

Great stuff! Have you figured out what the arguments mean? Is 33600 the maximum amount of cave adapation, or is that just something you picked?

Also, why the WAIT_PERIOD?

33600 is a month, but was completely arbitrary.  The first noticeable stage of cave adaptation is a year (403200) when going outside causes bad thoughts, they start vomiting from going outside at 1.5 years (604800) and 800000 is the maximum.  By the way, cave adaptation doesn't go away instantly when they go outside, it seems to decline slowly as they spend time outside.

The WAIT_PERIOD was also arbitrary - really the action only operates once, since the effect lasts for life, but I put in a large wait period to keep them from constantly trying to use the interaction, which might cause slowdown maybe.

COMBATHARDNESS just showed up recently on the wiki, I think.  That one could be fun... giving a warrior race bonuses as they experience more of the battlefield...

Wow combat hardness just did. anyways

[INTERACTION:SPELUNCAPHOBIA]
      [I_TARGET:A:CREATURE]
      [IT_CANNOT_TARGET_IF_ALREADY_AFFECTED]
      [IT_LOCATION:CONTEXT_CREATURE]
   [I_EFFECT:ADD_SYNDROME]
      [IE_TARGET:A]
      [IE_IMMEDIATE]
      [SYNDROME]
         [CE_DIZZINESS:SEV:10:PROB:100:RESISTABLE:START:0:PEAK:1]
            [CE:COUNTER_TRIGGER:CAVE_ADAPT:8400:16800:REQUIRED]
         [CE_DIZZINESS:SEV:100:PROB:100:RESISTABLE:START:0:PEAK:1]
            [CE:COUNTER_TRIGGER:CAVE_ADAPT:16800:33600:REQUIRED]
         [CE_DIZZINESS:SEV:1000:PROB:100:RESISTABLE:START:0:PEAK:1]
            [CE:COUNTER_TRIGGER:CAVE_ADAPT:33600:NONE:REQUIRED]

Should make it a one time deal, because all those syndromes never end. So it is always affected. I'm also liking the idea of weakness from being in the caves too long, since I want to restrict humans from living in caves

I also wounder can be alter these COUNTERs with syndromes like COMBATHARDNES? say drink a potion and not care about anything anymore
other then adding NOEMOTION. could brew stronger booze that numbs ones mind.

[Putnam]

COMBATHARDNESS?

Holy shit. I've been waiting for that one for a while.

[IndigoFenix]

Should make it a one time deal, because all those syndromes never end. So it is always affected. I'm also liking the idea of weakness from being in the caves too long, since I want to restrict humans from living in caves

Something about certain counter tags - the REQUIRED part, I think - causes them to end once the trigger is not operating.  So although the effects don't have END tags, they ends as soon as you leave the cave, but restart when you go back in.  I don't think it's resetting the timer entirely when you leave the cave because if you spend a longer time inside, then go outside for a little bit, then go back in, it takes a shorter time to become dizzy from the effect than it did initially (the longer you spend inside, the longer the 'rest period' needs to be).

We need more !!science!! here, but this syndrome does exactly what you're saying very efficiently - just adjust the timing and severity according to how sensitive you want your species to be (this particular variety is very sensitive - it was designed for a race that wasn't supposed to be able to dig at all, but I didn't want them to be stuck without any access to stone).