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Author Topic: New to this, and just WoW.  (Read 10003 times)

khearn

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Re: New to this, and just WoW.
« Reply #30 on: April 03, 2012, 01:21:48 pm »

+1 to the wiki's quickstart guide. It was all I needed to get by first fort going. Don't spend too much time reading before you start. You can spend days watching tutorials and reading, and that would be days that you aren't playing. Just read the quickstart to get the bare essentials and dive in, expecting to have problems.

I've seen people on the forums asking endless questions before ever playing the game. They want to "win" the game with their first fort, not realizing that you can't ever "win", and that most experienced players have had dozens of forts go down in flames (and loved it!). Refer to the wiki often, plus ask questions here when the wiki doesn't give you answers. But mainly, just start playing!
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Re: New to this, and just WoW.
« Reply #31 on: April 03, 2012, 01:25:37 pm »

Yeah, I had to take two runs at DF before it finally took. I heard about it, went to the website and had a "WTF is this?" moment. Then I read Boatmurdered and too was like, alright, I have to be serious about this.
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Re: New to this, and just WoW.
« Reply #32 on: April 03, 2012, 01:43:32 pm »

When I first downloaded I sat at my computer thinking, "OK, for this game I'll try and figure everything out by myself". In about ten minutes I gave up and watched the Catpnduck videos...
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Re: New to this, and just WoW.
« Reply #33 on: April 03, 2012, 01:48:28 pm »

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you should not play dwarf fortress in case you intend to keep her.
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c32

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Re: New to this, and just WoW.
« Reply #34 on: April 03, 2012, 01:49:43 pm »

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girlfriend
stopped reading there.
you should not play dwarf fortress in case you intend to keep her.

It's cool I bought her the vita. She's entertained
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Re: New to this, and just WoW.
« Reply #35 on: April 03, 2012, 01:57:53 pm »

I didn't find out about boatmurdered until after I was pretty comfy with the game. For me it was this story that really made me wanna know WTF was going on. http://www.nzfortress.co.nz/forum/showthread.php?t=20768
And figuring out what everyone is talking about is no different than figuring out how to play.

For me the biggest learning obstacle was that you don't "dig" down... you channel down.
Also, you don't tell dwarfs what to do, you just let them do things. You don't tell dwarfs what to make; you tell workshops what to make.
And if you don't manage your dwarfs the moment they step onto the screen, then you will never get them managed (unless you have DwarfTherapist or are very patient when it comes to scrolling through lists.)
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vjek

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Re: New to this, and just WoW.
« Reply #36 on: April 03, 2012, 02:02:47 pm »

That looks like vanilla df with graphics mode turned on, honestly :p

Quick glance, didn't see a difference. :p

All other tilesets are square.  12x12, 16x16, 18x18, etc.  Coaldiamonds DF+ tiles is 8x12

Pressing F11 (to switch between graphics/no-graphics) in a default release/build of 34.x creates quite a different view, in particular regarding the amount of black space in between tiles, thus reducing (in graphics mode) the overall tile density.  The player must scroll more in default "graphics" mode. (not the case with Coaldiamonds DF+ graphics)

In particular dwarfs, animals, furniture, and walls are all considerably different, and look really good in DF+ graphics, while not sacrificing tile density by even one pixel.  Chicks even visually grow into hens, if you want a simple example.  It is considerably different.  And of course zooming it up, it looks pretty funny, too. :)

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Re: New to this, and just WoW.
« Reply #37 on: April 03, 2012, 02:07:30 pm »

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girlfriend
stopped reading there.
you should not play dwarf fortress in case you intend to keep her.

It's cool I bought her the vita. She's entertained

If your girlfriend

- likes to hear stories about setting cats on fire
- ..disemboweling newly born babies
- ..decapitating babies and getting rid of their remains in a magma powered crematorium
- you asking her if she shaved her beard

you might keep her for a few more weeks
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Re: New to this, and just WoW.
« Reply #38 on: April 03, 2012, 02:10:44 pm »

My advice is to keep the wiki open and refer to it often. Try to practice doing everything at least once (you don't really need to weave and dye your own cloth, but going through the steps will teach you about managing materials and workflow).
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Re: New to this, and just WoW.
« Reply #39 on: April 03, 2012, 02:12:20 pm »

Don't use tilesets, don't use Dwarf Therapist. Play like a man.
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Re: New to this, and just WoW.
« Reply #40 on: April 03, 2012, 02:20:00 pm »

Alternatively, play it how you want and don't measure the size of your junk according to how you play DF.
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Quote from: Viktor Frankl
When we are no longer able to change a situation, we are challenged to change ourselves.
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Its kinda silly to complain that a friendly NPC isn't a well designed boss fight.
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How will I cheese now assholes?
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Always spaghetti, never forghetti

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Re: New to this, and just WoW.
« Reply #41 on: April 03, 2012, 02:25:06 pm »

Apologies, on luch break at work, so I'm typing on my phone.

My first experience with this game was a simultaneous trainwreck and instant success. I immediately dived in with no training, and began excavating what to this day was my favorite embark. I accidentally found a location with a volcano, underground river, bottomless pit, chasm, and HFS. It also had an above ground major river. The site was PACKED.

From south to north, there was a forest, the river running east to west perfectly straight all the way across the 5x5 embark. North of the river, began the mountains, a round bottomless pit sunken like a crater centered almost perfectly at the foot of the mouuntains. Beyond this, about 30 tiles north was a straight chasm again east-west, ending on both sides with a gcs in both end of the chasm, almost completely perfect span of the map. The chasm was ros-straight, only deviating a little bit near the end on the east.

Then, in the north-west corner was the volcano. 30 or so _-levels of lovely magma. The underground river was traveling from northeast to southwest, cascading down into my chasm. The HFS was located in the northeast corner.

This map was perfect, and I was like a kid in a candy shop, trying to get the basics down. In the end, my first goblin raid slaughtered my unprepared dwarves easily, and I lost the save.

The worst part? I've found some really interesting places since, but nothing so truly perfect as this.

Playing nethack, ADOM, and a few dozen other roguelikes really helped me get into it easy. The only thing that threw me off was losing dwarves due to buggy pathing, buggy designation-handling, and buggy hauling. Since then, I have learned that these are not bugged, and that dwarves are just very particular about how they go about things, and also lack any semblance of foresight.
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Re: New to this, and just WoW.
« Reply #42 on: April 03, 2012, 02:28:08 pm »

I have just been going through the quick start guide on the Wiki. I am starting to build a farm. it's weird that I am excited for my guys to get wiped out just so i can see how well I can do what I just did with out consulting the wiki. Even though I literally haven't accomplished anything yet.
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Re: New to this, and just WoW.
« Reply #43 on: April 03, 2012, 02:37:23 pm »

I'm building a soap fort in a place with nearly constant rain, how much worse can it get?
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Re: New to this, and just WoW.
« Reply #44 on: April 03, 2012, 02:37:58 pm »

I have just been going through the quick start guide on the Wiki. I am starting to build a farm. it's weird that I am excited for my guys to get wiped out just so i can see how well I can do what I just did with out consulting the wiki. Even though I literally haven't accomplished anything yet.

You, Sir, have the right attitude for this game.
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