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Dunamisdeos

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height: how does it work?
« on: April 02, 2012, 06:42:06 am »

I know being at a higher z-level doesn't confer a ranged bonus of any kind, but does it confer a sight bonus? will a lookout dwarf at 10z in the air see things father off than if he were at sea level?
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Re: height: how does it work?
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2012, 08:12:18 am »

I think is more like a fixed sphere centered around the creature, take a look in arena mode, people also say the observation skill affects it somehow.
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Re: height: how does it work?
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2012, 08:14:53 am »

I think is more like a fixed sphere centered around the creature

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as I replied to a similar question a while ago, say someone has a sight of 20 squares on ground. At z-level +19 he'll just be able to make out the ground directly at the foot of the tower. at +21 he won't see the ground.
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Re: height: how does it work?
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2012, 11:24:18 pm »

Ah thats much easier to understand. Thanks for the xplanation =)
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Re: height: how does it work?
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2012, 11:38:13 pm »

And as far as I understand it, the marksdwarf in the watchtower will not be able to shoot/see as far the dwarf at the gate, and the dwarf in the fortified will not see/shoot as far as the dwarf at the gate. Fortifications and height take a range penalty.
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Re: height: how does it work?
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2012, 11:48:38 pm »

Hrm, how does DF handle diagonals when it comes to distance?

If diagonals are counted as 1 space, then it's not a sphere that surrounds the dwarf, but an 8 sided polygon. Like two pyramids stuck together at the bottom.
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Re: height: how does it work?
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2012, 12:16:52 am »

I believe that diagonals count as their actual values (so a distance of square root 2). I know that they count as that for movement at least.
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Re: height: how does it work?
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2012, 12:17:21 am »

I believe that diagonals count as their actual values (so a distance of square root 2).

I seem to recall this being the case.
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Re: height: how does it work?
« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2012, 12:21:11 am »

Sphere it is, then!
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Re: height: how does it work?
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2012, 05:20:35 am »

sight as a sphere is easily proven by playing adventure mode once
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Re: height: how does it work?
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2012, 08:30:10 am »

Since the sphere has radius 20, and distances are calculated using √2 (1.414), the footprint of a tower decreases with Z-levels as follows:

Z-levels above ground Enemies visible n tiles from tower
1-619
7-818
9-1017
11-1216
1315
1414
1513
1612
1710
188
196
200

So dwarves on the sixth floor suffer no range penalty, but are at least six tiles away from surface troops trying to return fire through the fortifications. 
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Re: height: how does it work?
« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2012, 08:31:24 am »

in arena mode you can test it, even by spawning liquids you can cast a rock tower, spawn a dwarf at the top of it and take a look at what he sees when you take control of him...

it's not a spehere really but as good an aproximation of it as you can do with the in-game grid.

If I remember correctly, straigth lines north, south, west, east were like 25 tiles or so, and diagonals were less like 20 tiles....
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Re: height: how does it work?
« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2012, 03:19:49 pm »

I know being at a higher z-level doesn't confer a ranged bonus of any kind, but does it confer a sight bonus? will a lookout dwarf at 10z in the air see things father off than if he were at sea level?

Kind of, and for the same reason: a higher dwarf will be able to see over intervening obstructions, where a lower dwarf might be unable to.
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