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[smurfingtonthethird]

((Same difference. Would rather hire than 'conscript'.))

((Hmm, would a SC2 Siege Tank be possible?))

[Tack]

((What is it that actually makes a sod inferior to a 'standard' clone, if I may ask? Genetically- I mean))

[smurfingtonthethird]

((My guess is accelerated development greatly decreases intelligence. Either that, or genetic code for faster growth has messed everything else up.))

[PyroDesu]

((Same difference. Would rather hire than 'conscript'.))

((Hmm, would a SC2 Siege Tank be possible?))

((No. At least, not one that transforms, and that's the only point of it, innit? They're not terribly good as tanks, and as far as artillery goes, we can do much better.

As for our infantry, go here and open the 'Enemy Intel' section, you're looking for the entry labeled 'Sods'. We're going to be using variants of those. I prefer cybernetic, others prefer to see what The Doctor genehacks them into. We agree that we need an enhanced version, a 'Commander', to control each squad. As to why they're 'stupid', they're bred that way. That was an intentional design feature of the UWM.))

[smurfingtonthethird]

((Can you give me the name of said artillery/armor piece? Otherwise, I'm settling for a heavily modified Avatar of War.))

[PyroDesu]

((Can you give me the name of said artillery/armor piece? Otherwise, I'm settling for a heavily modified Avatar of War.))

((For one, we can build a better artillery piece (upscaled LESHO, perhaps?). For another, the Siege Tank in SC2 has a 120mm cannon in siege mode, yeah?

Spoiler: Say hello to the M110 Howitzer, a self-propelled 203mm cannon (click to show/hide)

And there's probably better, that was from a cursory look.))

[Nikitian]

Examine the neurons and see if anything comes to mind. Consider pumping self with drugs of the Mk II medsystem and going straight through the arcing electricity.
If possible, leave mathematical equations at peace and start preparing to grit teeth and endure whatever pain comes my way.

[GreatWyrmGold]

((On a side-note, taking a hill covered in artillery emplacements with just infantry is hard as shit. Unless you have grenades. Lots of grenades.))

((Or air support. Or the ability to drop the infantry right next to the hill.))

((Remember when they were fighting that one Something de Bergerac guy, in that big armor stuff? When they used advanced tactics to disable the Something of War? Seems like something you would remember, RC.))

((Yeah, no. There's a difference between being trained for certain situations (when faced with 1 battlesuit, do X, if you have that weapon, do Y, if Avatar, use technique Z) and tactical insight (take that building on the hill. It's surrounded by small houses, like a favela. Avoid civilian casualties, but beware of radicals hiding among them). You can train them in certain techniques and fighting styles, but effective commanding takes creative insight, something sods are notoriously bad with.))

((Two considerations...
1. Are we sure the sods were trained in those specific tactics for specific scenarios, and not just taught general principles and how to apply principles to real scenarios? It seems like the former would be more unwieldy and unreliable.
2. Even if so, what makes you think they aren't trained in such tactics?))

And don't get me started on the Landkreuzer P. 1500 Monster. That thing would've been heavier than your Baneblade (and possibly more effective, it was more artillery than tank, still a worse design in general than any normal self-propelled artillery).))

((Wait...I know this is off topic, but there's a tank more oversized, absurd, and impractical than one of the bigger tanks of the Imperium of Man?))


((Anyways, as to the amp specialists...also unrelated, but reading their entry gave me an idea. What if the reason they're apparently capable of having more than three amps installed is that the parts of their brain normally associated with walking, eating, breathing and such have been converted into more amp use stuff, which is why they need wheelchairs and life support gear?
Which of course brings up the question of the AM's space magic, which I suspect has something to do with a weird anomaly rather than mere amps.))

[PyroDesu]

And don't get me started on the Landkreuzer P. 1500 Monster. That thing would've been heavier than your Baneblade (and possibly more effective, it was more artillery than tank, still a worse design in general than any normal self-propelled artillery).))

((Wait...I know this is off topic, but there's a tank more oversized, absurd, and impractical than one of the bigger tanks of the Imperium of Man?))

((You know the crawlers NASA uses to move rockets?

Spoiler: This thing? (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: Compare: (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: Here's the shell that thing would have fired: (click to show/hide)

That's a T-34/85 tank in the shot with it.

Yeah.))

[kisame12794]

((Christ. An 800mm gun? 250mm front armor? A total weight of 1500 tons? Holy shit why was that thing even designed? I suppose if it had worked it would have been a hell of a weapon, and the fear factor would have been insane, but still.))

[PyroDesu]

((Christ. An 800mm gun? 250mm front armor? A total weight of 1500 tons? Holy shit why was that thing even designed? I suppose if it had worked it would have been a hell of a weapon, and the fear factor would have been insane, but still.))

((Makes Unholy's contraption look like a popgun, doesn't it? It's not the first 800mm, though, it took the gun from the Schwerer Gustav type railway gun, one of which was actually used at Sevastpol. Biggest artillery piece ever used in combat.

If the 'in combat' stipulation is take away, then you have Mallet's Mortar, a 914mm piece built for the Crimean War, but never used.))

[GreatWyrmGold]

((I'd like to note that those absurd weapons, like so many, are either Nazi-made or Soviet-made.

I have a theory that those two groups' common casting as villains is not entirely due to the fact that everyone agrees they were evil, but also because insane supervillain schemes were very much in-character for them.))

[syvarris]

((As far as our defenses are concerned, my opinion is that we really can't make informed decisions on what types of forces to use.  After all, there's a massive amount of unfamiliar tech in ER, usually with unknown manufacturing requirements.

The only group who arguably has full knowledge of the technology and how to use/produce it most efficiently, is the UWM.  So it stands to reason that the UWM's standard military setup is the most versatile, efficient, and effective way to apply that tech- within the limits of the UWM's own laws, at least.

So really, I recommend that we don't diverge from what the UWM does without first proving that our new method is more effective.

Sod commanders for example.  We haven't even proven that they're possible to make while remaining effective and safe to handle*.  Or heck, even necessary.  Sods are only effective within their trained areas of combat, but how expansive is that?  Can you tell a sod to clear a room in the safest way possible within twenty seconds, and have him figure it out?  How about telling a squad to clear a building?  A platoon, with a whole complex?  We already know the UWM has programmed sods to fight UWM forces (See them attacking Miya/Flint), so how many situations are we actually going to run into that require creative thought?


*Thinking of standard HMRC friendly fire here. 
Amper:"Oh.  Woops.  I just roasted that sod by accident"
Sod Commander:"Friendly amp users determined dangerous.  Terminate on sight."


@Lolhueg tank
There was an AP round for that thing.

What the hell would you even shoot with an 800mm AP round?))

[PyroDesu]

((I'd like to note that those absurd weapons, like so many, are either Nazi-made or Soviet-made.

I have a theory that those two groups' common casting as villains is not entirely due to the fact that everyone agrees they were evil, but also because insane supervillain schemes were very much in-character for them.))

((Mallet's Mortar was British. Never used, but still the biggest artillery piece in the world, with the exception of the equally-large American Little David, which was used for testing aircraft bombs, and probably wasn't really intended as a weapon.

((@Lolhueg tank
There was an AP round for that thing.

What the hell would you even shoot with an 800mm AP round?))

800mm AP? Good for mountain bunkers, I suppose.))

[renegadelobster]

((Alrighty then))

Be ready to assist Teal with hauling teammates and fetching supplies for the away team as needed