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[Asra]

Is there a way you can give them some chinks in their armor, like how Bronze Colossi worked in some of the earlier versions with that plate on their head? Is it possible to give different parts of a robot's body different skin types so a lucky should could hit a joint and cause an arm to fall off, or a hit to the neck might knock off a head?

[JediaKyrol]

they currently have a "brain" CPU core unit with the same material as green glass...it will shatter incredibly easily...problem is you can't aim ranged weapons, and the rest of the robot is well...a robot.

[TomiTapio]

Also, this mod's rifles are Flint-lock or Match-lock rifles, the firing rate is same as the crossbow. (Maybe ten seconds per one shot?)
Maybe should make a bullet hit more damaging, to simulate 5 bullets from one "shoot" event. (Or I should nerf the supermutants, since 20 riflemen didn't do much hurt on their siege)

Poorly selected examples from log:

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The flying ({iron bullet}) strikes The Securitron in the CPU casing, but the attack glances away!
The flying ({bismuth bronze bolt}) strikes The Supermutant Gunner in the lower body, bruising the muscle and bruising the left kidney through the ({large cave moth silk pants})!
The flying ({iron bullet}) strikes The Crossbowman in the lower body, bruising the fat through the ({synth-reed fiber jeans})!
The flying ({iron bullet}) strikes The Child in the lower body, tearing the muscle and bruising the right kidney through the (silkworm silk jumpsuit)!
The flying {copper bullet} strikes The Supermutant Maceman in the right upper leg, bruising the muscle through the ({large silkworm silk camo pants})!
The Supermutant Sawyer blocks The flying {*tin bullet*}!
The flying {copper bullet} misses The Evolved Centaur!
The flying {-tin bullet-} strikes The Centaur in the torso, bruising the muscle!

The flying {-copper bullet-} strikes The Centaur in the head, tearing the muscle and tearing the brain!
The Centaur has been knocked unconscious!

People arguing bullet damage in D&D: http://forums.megatokyo.com/index.php?showtopic=419796

Nutters discuss which 15 guns to have in case of apocalypse: http://plainsmanscabin.yuku.com/topic/4399/Minimum-home-battery#.T6BvVsWNk-U

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2. A 50 to 60 caliber flint lock rifle. Not percussion cap black powder weapon. This constitutes the survivalist's hunting weapon. This allows you to save your commercial higher rate of fire weapons for defense. It is rarely known now days that the Kentucky long rifle was extremely accurate out to about 400 yd. The only people that know it are black powder shooters. I put this in level 3 because it is more of a niche weapon. But do to its long-term abilities without industrial support. With founded flint, homemade black powder, and self-cast lead balls. As a survivalist you may want to consider a smokepole early in selections.

3. Single +%*% the spring powered pellet rifle. The spring powered type are more reliable longer lasting and faster than any of the others. C O 2 models are faster but what do you do when you run out of cylinders. They come in. 177/BB, 0.22, 0.25 caliber's. And there appeared to be new ones that are 9 mm. These are quiet pest control and small game getters.

Hey Deon you didn't answer my last post, so here it is again:

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Hey Deon, any word on the "less fat on wild carnivorous animals" changes?

The Evolved Centaur sprays a stream of saliva!
The Supermutant Sawyer blocks the breath.
The Vault Citizen Lye Maker (rotavirus) vomits.
The Vault Citizen Cook (rotavirus) vomits.
The Vault Citizen Recruit (rotavirus) vomits.
The Evolved Centaur sprays a stream of saliva!
The Evolved Centaur is caught in a burst of evolved centaur n/a!
The Supermutant Sawyer is caught in a burst of evolved centaur n/a!

Evolved Centaur saliva needs a name fix?
Securitron got sick from rotavirus, I think. "The Securitron feels sick!"

I think muties should not come with hacksaws as weapons, as they are poor weapons compared to a crowbar. Google image search for hacksaw and you'll see.

If someone wants, the siege's combat log is downloadable at http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8967397/Apoc%20100-strong%20siege%20comes%20and%20wins%20-%20combat%20log.txt

(merges own raws to 1.2f...) hey, assault rifle is still less force than rifle.
all descs of vaultizens: "whos survival" -> "whose survival".
Orichalcum reaction should output 3 not 2.

My variant raws: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8967397/Apoc%201.2f%20Gfx%20-%20Tomis%20variant%20raws.zip
And then I'd give [ETHIC:KILL_PLANT:ACCEPTABLE] to Ghouls.
Light blue and blue are way too close, hard to see what is selector in military menus.

And here's the quintessential Skink: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Blue-toungued_skink444.jpg
Todo Deon: search all files for "rfirst ight lower leg" (centaur body)

[Mrhappyface]

I wanted a bit more of a challenge, so I added plutonium rods as a requirement for power armor. I made power cells a requirement for riot/desert ranger gear which I modded in.

[Bodyless]

Power armors wont protect you from supermutants with sledgehammers, so i dont think they need to be rarer.

[dirkdragonslayer]

i was lucky enough to use the STATE generation to see if i got nevada, instead i got the middle of california like the map in fallout 2, with one big difference. there was a serene forest/jungle where San Francisco was with a volcano in the middle of it. i embarked there for cheap early metal production, and i havent seen any the the lovecraftian creatures yet, are they not in serene places? also love the menu music, it was my favorite song in the fallout series. also, why dont eyebots have plasma like securitrons, even though the saw is enough to kill any theives as a earlier defense. also im about 45min-1hour into the world and have not found a single holodisk or gun.

[Mrhappyface]

Power armors wont protect you from supermutants with sledgehammers, so i dont think they need to be rarer.

That reminds me, are supersledges going to be added? Seems as simple as using the sledgehammer in the power weapon (base weapon+mechanism+power cell) template.

[Bodyless]

Yeah i would like to see some more advanced wepaons for the skills which are not covered yet.
For example: Cattle Prod on a stick for spearmen.

BTW I think the drop rate for crates is a bit too high now. But it really depends how dense your area is forested. Maybe reduce the amount of scrap piles vs normal trees?

[TomiTapio]

BTW I think the drop rate for crates is a bit too high now. But it really depends how dense your area is forested. Maybe reduce the amount of scrap piles vs normal trees?

I guess if embark on "heavily forested" then one should adjust the scavenge reaction so that 3 scrap logs go in instead of one. I feel the scrap/tree ratio is fine now. "saguaro rib wood" is pissing me off with its long name though.

Maybe we'll get "rock maul" hammer type again. A crude sledgehammer. Make them in a bulk reaction so it's not "ONE TREE MAKES ONE SHAFT FOR SLEDGEHAMMER". 1 log + 1 rock blocks armful = 6 rock mauls.

Hey, an idea came to me: a decorative workshop: "wooden boat" from 5 log stacks.

Minor complaint: *steel ammo (50)* is 6000e, and =steel ammo (50)= is 7500e. Bit too high compared to how damn cheap the war robots are. (securi 1200, Gutsy 800)
So everyone, how many "steel rifles" is one securitron worth? One?

DUDES! "wooden log to coal" consumes one fuel plus one log stack, and outputs one fuel! (removes fuel requirements from all scrapyard reactions)

Idea: excess food into biofuel. Fat, prepared meals, raw fish, raw meat goes in.

[Deon]

A new release is up.

Thank you, TomiTapio .



1.3a
- 1.3a is save-compatible with 1.2*, all fixes will work. Just replace raw folder of your save with the one from this release.
- Military and medical crates are less frequent, tech crates are more frequent.
- Wooden log to coal no longer eats additional fuel.

1.3
- 1.3 is save-compatible with 1.2, all fixes will work. Just replace raw folder of your save with the one from this release.
- Supermutants get chainsaws instead of hacksaws and rippers instead of knives.
- Ghouls no longer hate killing plants.
- Fat layer is not a huge pillow under creatures' skin now. Casualty rates rise.
- Ants and radroaches now have just one head.
- Common geckos are smaller.
- Evolved centaur saliva is fixed.
- A few typo fixos in text descriptions.


Regarding the prices: the whole trading system needs an overhaul. I will look into it eventually.

[TomiTapio]

Whee! 3x17 undead husks attack the settlement! We are 51 left and hopefully the supermutant zombies aren't so tough.
(You can have the save if you want to tune weapons vs. undead. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8967397/the%20dead%20walk!%20for%20testing.%20region1.rar
Total victory by trap corridor! But lost 8 citizens who were caught outside.

Three nosers are fishing, and two are cleaning the traps.
In celebration, someone crafts a legendary Limestone Toolbox.

[Ivan Issaccs]

What is it I need to cultivate viruses? Blood containing items apparently doesnt cover the barrels of blood I was buying from caravans?

Also can I mod out that damn zombie virus...

[JediaKyrol]

You can just go into your saves raws and disable it, though it causes you to lose "FUN"

I've had to lower the temperature of plasma bolts in mine...as when a bolt goes up or down a z-level, it loses the ability to evaporate, resulting in fires everywhere when a glob of goo twice as hot as the sun lands in your farm...on a farmer.  I think it's due to the current "cartoon physics" on projectiles that Toady is trying to replace with a parabolic arc...but until then...I just can't take all that burning...(a note...I've only had this happen on mountainous terrain...when gutsys or protectrons are shooting at flying enemies parallel to them but not directly over ground.)

Also...has anyone found a replicant in their fort yet?

oh yeah, Deon, might want to remove [NOT_IMPROVED] from the sailent green "container" reagent...my jerks put all my sailent green into glazed pots and refused to use it.

[Deon]

when a bolt goes up or down a z-level, it loses the ability to evaporat

Now that is something... weird. Do you know why does it happen? DF bug?

I will fix sailent green ASAP . From now on I will release only save-compatible patches and tweaks for a while, because I know that some people LP my mod and I don't want to make them to restart or be sad that they cannot update.

TomiTapio, thank you for the save .

[JediaKyrol]

I think it's a vanilla DF thing...like how you are guaranteed to get an arrow if it drops a z level...which I abused forever by putting my archery targets on platforms for training...if they miss, arrow hit wall, fell a floor, and didn't break.  What I'm guessing is that the way Toady currently has physics set up is that when any item is launched it calculates the maximum distance based on mass, launch speed, and kinetic potential and stores that as a number...then lets it fly until it passes through that exact number of spaces.  Once it reaches that, it just sets every number in that material to 0...forcing it to just stop and fall.  This also has the side effect of ignoring things like density, temperature, melting point and such.  Then, it seems the item sits there until  something acts upon it...either walking over it or pathing to pick it up...immediately it reapplies all of the material stats, resulting in a napalm landmine in the case of plasma, and when I cut the temperature to standard creature body temp, it just turns to  liquid in their hands and then evaporates,

I'm just guessing about that process from the observed results though...it could also be invisible pixies hate me playing DF when I should be at work/sleeping and they crawl inside my computer and sabotage my game...but I like to assume the more "sciency" explanation.