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melkor

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how to fight undead?
« on: March 31, 2012, 04:50:58 am »

i have had a single undead raven that got near my stockpile. when that happend i thought it was a good idea to dump my refuse pile into a river.
all of the body's and skulls are now in a river and there not becoming a walking corpse. howevere the insect remains are not being dumped so when a new corpse came it came to live.

so my question if i can't dump the insect remains (that are obilisly infected) how do i make sure to not get any undead. how do i fight the undead?
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« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2012, 05:01:24 am »

I'm afraid I'm having a lot of trouble understanding your post-- probably rephrasing it would help me understand better.

1) Your dwarves are probably not dumping vermin remains because they have orders not to.  To change this, try hitting o (rders) r (efuse) v (ermin remains).

2) But it's not a big deal, because vermin won't zombify anyways.

3) Sounds like you're doing a rather good job of it so far.  Getting rid of refuse is the key, and you've hit on what sounds like a good way of doing so.  It can definitely be challenging though.
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Re: how to fight undead?
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2012, 05:14:06 am »

1) thank you that has fixed it.

2) wel they wont zombify but will they pass on the taint of zombify to othere corpses, because my refuse pile was empty when i placed new corpses and they zombify.

3) thank you i'm just afraid that i need to start over if all my corpses keep zombifying.

you have understood my post very well and these where the answers i was looking of.

PS: a zombie hord is a really good why to train your militia.

edit: does infected blood also zombify?

edit: i have had a undead siege and the corpses just keep getting up. i have lost half my dwarf's and there are 50 more undead i have to abandon the fort
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Re: how to fight undead?
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2012, 08:39:33 am »

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The zombie interaction is not spread through contact or syndrome in the normal evil embark case, so your fears about the vermin spreading the curse were not validated. What was happening, was that you were placing the corpses on parts of an evil biome, that caused the corpses to become zombies. Dwarfs injured by zombies will not become zombies, unless they die.
But keep in mind, all Dwarf corpses that end up on evil biomes with zombification will become zombies, regardless of whether they'd ever touched a zombie before.
Also it was understandable, but did require quite a bit of effort.
That help?

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Re: how to fight undead?
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2012, 12:46:58 pm »

okay that is good to know, but i didn't saw a evil biome at the embark screen so i dont know if i am in a evil biome. also this happand in year 3 but the corpses where fine in the 1st and 2nd year.

i do sometime have a intruder that is a necromancer, but they never got near my refuse pile.

this started happening when my dwarfs killed 1 zombie and brought his corpse to the refuse pile.
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Re: how to fight undead?
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2012, 01:05:17 pm »

okay that is good to know, but i didn't saw a evil biome at the embark screen so i dont know if i am in a evil biome. also this happand in year 3 but the corpses where fine in the 1st and 2nd year.

i do sometime have a intruder that is a necromancer, but they never got near my refuse pile.

this started happening when my dwarfs killed 1 zombie and brought his corpse to the refuse pile.
You probably have a necromancer. Necromancers can arrive stealthily, like ambushers, and sneak into your fort unseen. They can also raise the dead without breaking cover, and they seem to be much more difficult to detect than goblins or kobolds. I've had soldiers literally surrounding a necromancer without detecting it - I could see where the necromancer was by the door it held open, and my soldiers were in the 8 tiles around that one, yet it remained unseen.

Check your combat logs. If there is a line that says that a necromancer is fighting, you probably have one. Also, the first indication of a new zombie's life will be a "shudders and begins to move" line in the combat log if there is a necromancer around. If there's no such lines, you have an undead biome. Also, if all of the bodies in an area are standing up simultaneously, that's a sure indicator of a necromancer, as undead biomes raise a corpse a short time after it died rather than when something else occurs.
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« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2012, 01:17:48 pm »

so how do i detect a necromancer? is there some special unit?
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« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2012, 02:28:05 pm »

Basically you just try to identify where it is through whatever means and hope. Usually when they get detected it's because they decide to actually attack someone next to them, but since they flee from the living, that happens only by chance. Ranger-necromancers are easier to detect since they'll have bows and use them, but otherwise, they seem to only get spotted if they wander into a narrow hallway and dwarves come from both directions at the same time.
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Re: how to fight undead?
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2012, 04:58:30 pm »

so how do i detect a necromancer? is there some special unit?

Anything can detect a necromancer, wild animals, siegers, members of your own civ, quite literally anything. Your best bet is posting sentries around choke points and corpse stockpiles