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[forsaken1111]

Though the epeen is nice

Wanna touch it?

[The Darkling Wolf]

I'm hiding all of my mod links behind 40 adfly screens now.
I'll make literally several dollars over the lifespan of it

[DrPoo]

Though the epeen is nice

Wanna touch it?

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeww

Thats not what i thought with you being a defense consultant.

[The Darkling Wolf]

Pff. Nobody wants to touch my E-Peen.

It's not my fault it goes inside me when I stand up! ;-;

[forsaken1111]

Pff. Nobody wants to touch my E-Peen.

It's not my fault it goes inside me when I stand up! ;-;

This thread went to a weird place.

I like it

[dragnar]

I don't much care for fc, but this whole hissy fit brings up a point. What would happen if someone did this to someone else like Elo, Sengir, or the author of another big mod? Yeah, there would be mass witch hunts and that person would likely be banned from every Minecraft forum out there.

Why, then, is it acceptable to make a derivative of BTW? Just because you don't like the guy and what he's done, is that it? I can tell you now that nothing bad will happen to the modder in question. None of the forums that would ban the former will ban the latter.

Actually, I see no problem with either one. As long as no code from the original is being made? It is, at worst, a bit of a jerk move. It's like claiming that people should get up in arms about a new fast food chain opening up, because they're ripping off all the old ones! Or a furniture company suing someone else for making a chair in the same style as them! Both are patently ridiculous, but when it comes to software... Well, people go crazy.

You don't want someone copying your mod? Then make it better than them. Make sure the no name-brand ripoff is actually WORSE. If you can't make the better product, you don't get the customers. That's how these things work. Were someone to make a copy of BTW that was also not forge-compatible, I doubt it would gain much popularity. Because BTW is established, has plenty of fans, a name, all that jazz. If BWF manages to replace it, it will be because the compatibility bonuses make the mod flat out better.

[Matz05]

Cool!
I am so using this, and maybe even making an Adblock exception for them (unless they use adf.ly), simply because:
1: FC has, as a person, no notable redeeming values and
2: It will integrate some features (mechanical power? DO WANT!) previously suppressed in MC modding due to 'Mod Sovreignty' (Something that, purely for precedent's sake, MUST be violated at every possible turn for the community to survive. It's like infinite-duration, no-rules free patents as it is.)

Still, FC's ravings are the kind that makes me feel physically ill. My muscles clench up and my eyeballs itch just reading it. All I can think when I see such malice and stupidity out in the world being taken seriously as a person while trashing people infinitely better than them is "NO! BAD! BASH HEAD WITH CLUE-BAT! KIIIIIIIIIIIILLLLLL!!!!!"
I'm just sensitive to... not really 'troll' or 'stupid', but 'wilfuly stupid, misleading, and destructive' comes close. It makes me react like a physical combatant showed up. All twitchy and nervous and bad.
Like the "TechniC Es illegAl, iJnore teH 68 pepple who gave ebIdence ODDawize, just azk (modder name here)!  C? I no theseee things! (name) is a lyiing pirate!" people.
In fact, that's exactly what its like. And I can't try to reassure myself he (she?)'s probably stupid, because this one can program at least a little. This one's DANGEROUS, and not just through misinforming newbies.


Also Dragnar: Exactly. Modders have NO rights. Zilch. One could argue sanctity of word-for-word code, but that would be the MAXIMUM they COULD legaly be awarded, in any reasonable jurisdiction. The whole concept of "Modder's Rights" is a myth, for some strange reason purpetuated by the MC forum admins. I lose respect for a mod whenever I see one of those 'licences' pasted on it, because it is just as effective as a simple "(c) John Doe, 2012" and has two or three pages of LIES attached.

If there's one thing I can't stand, it's misinforming people and screwing them over out of vanity.

[Scelly9]

Also Dragnar: Exactly. Modders have NO rights. Zilch.

Except they do. Not legally, of course, but most of the minecraft forums will ban you for violating "modders rights". That's a real power that they have, and stuff like that happens a lot. It's ridiculous, but if every forum bans you, you can't very well get your mod to people.

[Putnam]

Yeah, it's bullshit.

[Matz05]

A roomfull of idiots agreeing on something does not make it true, nor does it strip other citizens of the obligation to call the idiots out as such and/or thwart them.

[iceball3]

Man, this is such a gigantic shitfest. And over what, oh yeah. Little addons to a game of legos.
I LOVE minecraft and I LOVE playing it modded. But this is ridiculous. Just all the drama that comes from it.
Now leaving from subjectivity, I do think Flowerchild is quite the namesake. I do worry at the idea if he suddenly floods us with mouth foaming fans just because we're talking about him?
I hope not, given the most likely situation there's probably too many people getting upset at him for him to target us specifically anyway.

[Akhier the Dragon hearted]

   The Minecraft modding community is like an eternal drama engine sometimes. It can't really be helped now because of how it formed but it is still a part of a game I play more then most other things. Likely this won't affect us beyond this bit of drama we have flooding through this thread right now and will end when we see the outcome of BWF's development because nothing is really certain with it from what I can find.

Spoiler: wool gathering about if they attacked us (click to show/hide)

   Honestly if he did try to flood us I can only see it going a certain path. First we mostly just deal with it and such, after all its just some random non-Dwarf Fortress people and they probably can't say much to us that would get our ire up that would not just get them banned. The second thing is that they would start saying things that would get them banned and Toady has to get involved. This is bad, I don't want to ever cause Toady any more problems then he already has and I think everyone else here will agree with me.  What happens after this really depends though, if they stop after getting banned then nothing but I highly doubt that people who went and made an account just to flame us would stop there. If they don't stop and nothing unexpected happens then we counter attack. Now I am going to stereotype both them and us but over all I have 1) noticed that people who frequent this forum are quite tech savvy with a larger than average percentage being programmers and other tech types and 2) the people who would be attacking us will probably not be more then just average flamers and people who don't really know more about computers then they need too to surf it and play minecraft with BTW (I was going to say mods but then realized that a plural form would be quite incorrect). So yeah if it gets this far things are not going to end nicely but in the end we would win though it would be quite bloody.

[Scelly9]

A roomfull of idiots agreeing on something does not make it true, nor does it strip other citizens of the obligation to call the idiots out as such and/or thwart them.

Of course it does. If all of america suddenly decides Romney is president, he effectively is. He may not hold the actual office, but he is.

[miauw62]

Minecraft forums are BS and i left them a long time ago. It's a sad truth that it's one of the only ways to get your mod to be seen.

[dragnar]

A roomfull of idiots agreeing on something does not make it true, nor does it strip other citizens of the obligation to call the idiots out as such and/or thwart them.

Of course it does. If all of america suddenly decides Romney is president, he effectively is. He may not hold the actual office, but he is.

This is more equivalent to all the students in a single classroom deciding that they're in charge of the school. One crazy little forum is rather different from all of the internet agreeing with them.