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Micronations
« on: March 28, 2012, 04:18:35 pm »

It seems surprisingly easy to create a small micronation today. Sealand, for instance, off the British coast, has hung around for decades despite an adversarial relationship with the larger government. Given the growing demands for more secrecy and less privacy, particularly on the internet, there has been discussion of making use of micronations to operate data havens on the high seas.

Let's consider, then, what options exist for getting your own micronation:

Coup: There's apparently one guy with an air rifle and some moltov cocktails that represents the entirety of Sealand's armed forces. Since he's seven miles out in high surf with moderate shipping traffic, a half-decent hunter could liberate the natives quite easily before they even realize that that schooner out there isn't a lost freighter. Sure, the inhabitants of sealand are technically British citizens, but it's your word against nobody's, if it's ever investigated. Still, it's diplomatically unpopular to take over a micronation so dramatically. Simply declaring ownership and arriving with the great advantage in numbers (say, three guys) would work just as well. Beware making enemies of the wealthy guy who may be to this day the Prince of Sealand.

Colonization: The number of abandoned oil wells and AA platforms is most likely rather large. The number of these that are in an appropriate range (outside of two miles, inside of the longest CAT5 cable you have) from land is probably smaller. Still, if you're looking for a good place to make your own, there's plenty of structures out there to consider. If instead you'd like some steady land beneath your feet, perhaps one of the many, many, many tiny islands out there suit you better. The problem with all of these, however, is that they aren't explicitly abandoned, and it may be that your new home is already owned. You may need more than an air rifle and moltovs to keep it.

Once you own your private nation, you need to set out to monetize it. I personally think your best bet is to use an array of direct wi-fi antennas with strong collector dishes to bring the internet out. This naturally implies that you have a set of receivers on the mainland, which would otherwise be your weak point. But by simply setting up as a TOR node and not using the connection for conventional traffic, you're good. Only encrypted packets are going in, and only encrypted packets are going out. Then get people to pay you to host TOR websites.
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Re: Micronations
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2012, 04:25:30 pm »

Yeah got to get me a few mil before I would want ot live out there though.

I can't believe that it's actaully true, Sealand exists!
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Re: Micronations
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2012, 04:48:55 pm »

If I was gonna make a micronation, I'd do it in a boat.
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Re: Micronations
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2012, 04:50:08 pm »

If I was gonna make a micronation, I'd do it in a boat.
Exactly what I was thinking.
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Re: Micronations
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2012, 04:50:47 pm »

If I were a man of lesser morals, I'd start a micronation and make money off of it by regulating and taxing drugs and hookers.
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Re: Micronations
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2012, 04:56:04 pm »

Heck, if you treat the hookers well and keep the drugs clean, then I wouldn't even call it "lesser morals".

I'd run a casino, too.

You'd make tons of money, particularly if you're in a good place, but you'd need crazy good security. Maybe CCTV turrets. along with a small army of mercenaries. Plus contacts to get the drugs from, and maybe a strict no-export policy so people going back to the US don't make you problems.

Still, sounds like a plan.
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Re: Micronations
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2012, 04:59:20 pm »

Sealand is too tawdry for my tastes. If they do not take their micronation seriously, who will?
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Re: Micronations
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2012, 05:02:17 pm »

Do any countries actually recognise Sealand as a fellow country?  I was under the impression that noone did and the UK government just decided it wasn't worth the argument.
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Re: Micronations
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2012, 05:05:47 pm »

I always thought it would be interesting if every city became its own micronation.  Then people could move to whatever micronation fits their ideals best, and survival of the fittest(nation) would create some pretty interesting places to live.
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Re: Micronations
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2012, 05:06:09 pm »

Do any countries actually recognise Sealand as a fellow country?

No. Their sovereignty is based upon a 1968 court ruling that decided Sealand was outside of English jurisdiction—back when Sealand was outside of English territorial waters. Germany once sent a diplomat to Sealand, and the ruling family interprets both of these events as de facto recognition of Sealand’s independence.
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« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2012, 05:06:45 pm »

Do any countries actually recognise Sealand as a fellow country?  I was under the impression that noone did and the UK government just decided it wasn't worth the argument.
Pretty much this.  Nobody important recognizes it, and they haven't done anything illegal enough for the UK to intervene.

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Re: Micronations
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2012, 05:09:55 pm »

Sea based micronations aren't all that interesting really.

What i'd like is one based on a zeppellin (or zeppellins). Floating around international airspace with a small bubble of the Airland national airspace following it like a trusty bulldog.
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Re: Micronations
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2012, 05:11:38 pm »

Heck, if you treat the hookers well and keep the drugs clean, then I wouldn't even call it "lesser morals".

Add child hookers, then. Child hookers make everything better.
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Re: Micronations
« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2012, 05:14:46 pm »

A self sufficient air based machine would be amazing.  I guess you could cover it in solar panels and hope for the best.
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Re: Micronations
« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2012, 05:22:51 pm »

I could swear we've had this conversation before.


I remind people that standing nations don't cotton to the idea of people making new nations.  It's a rational response, once one person proves you can do it, anybody can.
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