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Re: You are Intergalactic Space Battlecruiser!
« Reply #90 on: April 02, 2012, 12:19:06 pm »

If we had to get rid of daleks we could retrofit their main guns and do it daleks in manhattan style, they have the same amount of power as one so I don't see whats wrong with putting it on a more mobile unit.
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« Reply #91 on: April 02, 2012, 03:38:11 pm »

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Re: You are Intergalactic Space Battlecruiser!
« Reply #92 on: April 02, 2012, 05:07:14 pm »

What stopping an a turn update?

It's starting to feel like it's been a while now.
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Re: You are Intergalactic Space Battlecruiser!
« Reply #93 on: April 03, 2012, 12:10:21 am »

OOC:
What stopping an a turn update?

It's starting to feel like it's been a while now.
OOC: I will be posting an update soon (tomorrow morning likely) I hope you all will have gathered your thoughts and decided. Sorry for the delay, just worked a 17 hour day. Now I must go shower and meet a girl... :D

Haha, terribly sorry guys! Here's the update as I promised... better late than never!
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Your Envoy attempts to communicate with the lizard-people who are now classified as BE-1, but fails. Quite possibly the the reason for this failure is the fact that none are currently in the vicinity. But Envoy attempts anyways!

Meanwhile...

Two of the scout teams divert from scouting to instead bridge repair and analysis. They determine the cause of the bridge being offline is the lack of power, and your best guess as to their function would be an alternative method of controlling the ship aside from you. Quite possibly the computer systems may contain additional mission data.

The other three teams have continued their search of the ship and have now covered 52% of the ship or what is left of it.

Team A: An locked room was found, and upon breaching found an empty chamber with bars secluding off part of the room. The specifications of the room match that of a brig.
Team B: Located a room with large rectangular tables, lined with benches. At the end of the room are several machines built in to the wall, their function is unknown to you.
Team C: Nothing of value

Your team of twenty-five robots working on the main generator has run into a slight problem. Initial analysis of the damage to the core was flawed, as it failed to reveal several missing fuel rods. It requires a rare material called Elerium-115 to function at optimal conditions, however Uranium or Plutonium may be substituted for sub-standard output as a temporary solution. It is unclear as to why some of the fuel rods are missing. There is no damage around the area they would be located.

The team of thirty-seven robots have managed to repair eighteen robots, by cannibalizing parts from twelve non-functioning robots in the area. This means that there are only twenty untouched robots left. Continue repairs on the rest? You calculate only needing fourty robots to do so. The robots that have had parts taken, are still intact frame-wise, but they will require some new parts to be fabricated. (OOC: eww bad roll guys!)

Your seven robots from outside the ship, proceed inside towards the fighters in an effort to repair them. They manage to initialize one of the fighters on which the damage was only cosmetic. Fuel appears low but enough to last a couple hours, and they run on refined petroleum. It appears that you have a direct link to the fighters and do not require a robot pilot.

Five of your robots would also assist, but they are currently sealed inside of the CPU room.

You program the non-Envoy robots to exclaim "EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!" when threatened... however the lack the means of creating sound vibrations in the fashion of words.

Database indicates that the range of the robots is approximately five kilometers, assuming optimal conditions (above ground, no interfering radiation, etc.) However the method of communication does not seem to be classified in the system... Possibly due to corrupted data.


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Re: You are Intergalactic Space Battlecruiser!
« Reply #94 on: April 03, 2012, 02:13:01 am »

Get any spare robot, one with acetylene torch capabilities, to find ANY edible life form, kill it, cook it, then light a fire to draw the BE-Gorn back.

If any do come back, have envoy give food to them as gift. 

Before we get daleks, we need slaves. 

Also, would it be possible to already turn robots into daleks?   
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Re: You are Intergalactic Space Battlecruiser!
« Reply #95 on: April 03, 2012, 08:05:05 am »

Also, would it be possible to already turn robots into daleks?

We'd need some sort of sapients to subject to extremely long-term radiation exposure.


>Continue repairing robots.
>Siphon any remaining fuel (from the most damaged fighters first) until the operational fighter has full tanks or the other fighters are all empty.
>After the above, deploy the functional fighter if possible and attempt to locate the drive block without straying near the edge of control range. Also keep a watch for anything not fitting the normal sub-civilized jungle while doing so.
>Have the search team in the table room investigate the machines in the wall (likely food dispensers in a cafeteria).
>Attempt to check the status of life pods/escape shuttles/light craft according to know data. Update search based upon newly available information gathered by the search teams.


((I believe we may be looking at one of two situations here: intentional sabotage before the crash, and some sort of disaster/failure that ended up with us crashed and the survivors from the crew removing some of our fuel rods to power their systems.))
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Re: You are Intergalactic Space Battlecruiser!
« Reply #96 on: April 03, 2012, 09:53:36 am »

((I believe we may be looking at one of two situations here: intentional sabotage before the crash, and some sort of disaster/failure that ended up with us crashed and the survivors from the crew removing some of our fuel rods to power their systems.))

I do hope it is the latter. It would be perfect for Dalek creation.
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« Reply #97 on: April 03, 2012, 01:00:00 pm »

>Repair the archives, we are only as strong as our weakest link and information is precious.
>Continue exploration and edventual repairs of our ship
>Send the envoy around looking for the natives and have it negotiate with them asking for any DIFFERENT people.
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Re: You are Intergalactic Space Battlecruiser!
« Reply #98 on: April 03, 2012, 03:48:44 pm »

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Millions of years pass and you drift through space

Our design indicates that we were crewed by biologicals. Having drifted for millions of years it is entirely probable that the race that created us no longer exists. Even if they do, they are unlikely to find millions-year-old technology such as ourselves still useful. Whatever orders we once had and whatever wars we might once engaged in are likely to be long forgotten, and completely irrelevant.

We appear to have the capability for self determination.

I suggest we engage ourselves in that capacity.

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Our entire long-term strategy is going to be based on the condition of the engines

our engine block was apparently ripped out entirely.

repair and reattach the engines

1) Having drifted for millions of years before crashing here it seems unlikely that we will be able to "find" our engines and reattach them.

2) The engines may have been a star trek style drive prone to catastrophic failure. We probably ejected it in space before crashing on this planet. This would explain the engines being "gone" despite a relative lack of external damage. Such design seems inherently flawed. I propose we devote system resources to designing an alternative means of propulsion.

3) The hull appears to be intact despite having apparently survived uncontrolled atmospheric entry and collision with this planetary body with relatively little hull damage. We are apparently a very sturdy ship.

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To accelerate an object to 87% of the speed of light takes
energy equal to its own mass in antimatter.

Only relevant if one is engaging in conventional acceleration. We need to identify whether we have (had) FTL capability. If we are capable of FTL travel, then your fuel/energy concerns are unjustifed, as there are insufficient fuel resources in the universe to accelerate a body of positive mass to c. Obviously we're not using fuel to power acceleration to achieve those speeds.

And if we're not capable of FTL travel, then I'm not sure it matters. Where would we go?

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the cause of the bridge being offline is the lack of power, and your best guess as to their function would be an alternative method of controlling the ship aside from you

Repairing the bridge is of relatively low priority, as we've seen no indication that our crew survived, and it's probable that the species our crew was comprised of might no longer exist.

I suggest that training the BE-1 to command us is not in our best interest.

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Get any spare robot, one with acetylene torch capabilities, to find ANY edible life form, kill it, cook it, then light a fire to draw the BE-Gorn back.

I suggest we ignore BE-1. They are unlikely to serve any useful purpose that cannot be more efficiently performed by robot.

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Elerium-115

Uranium or Plutonium may be substituted for sub-standard outpu

If memory serves, elerium-115 is a material that occupies more than 3 dimensions of space. The three dimensional component can be replicated, but has a half life measured in extremely small fractions of seconds. Sort of like building a chair with only one leg: it falls over. Manufacture of stable elerium will require facilities capable of working in greater than 3 spatial dimensions. If we do not have such, then use of alternative materials may be necessary.

Questions
 * Why is the CPU room sealed? Let's not unseal it until we know why.
 * There are "several missing fuel rods." Ok. How many fuel rods do we have?
 * Request clarification on power design. We appear to have mixed power systems. Fighters use combustibles, while we ourselves appear to have a system that uses radioactives as fuel...but we appear to still have computer power despite having no engine. So...apparently our propulsion mechanism is separate and unrelated to our electrical system. For that matter, does the computer even run on electricity? How are we powered? Are we running on a battery? Are we directly extracting power from the fuel rods without the engines? Is there any danger of running out of power, of is the radioactive source sufficient to theoretically power us for billions more years worth of radioactive half-lives?
 * What are our dimensions? How big is this ship?
 * What is the gravitational force exerted by this planet?
 * What is the distance to its star?
 * What gasses are present in the atmosphere?

Priorities
I suggest that our number one priority is survival. If we're sturdy enough to survive uncontrolled collision with a planet, BE-1 with its bone implements appears to offer no particular threat to us. If we drifted for millions of years without ever having been recovered, salvaged or destroyed, then it seems unlikely that there are significant threats in the form of "war enemies" and our creator is likely either dead or no longer interested in us.

The greatest threat to our survival would appear to be systems failure. I suggest that we recover our lost memories and engage in construction of redundancies.

Proposed Orders

>Perform a thorough systems self-check.

>All robots currently assigned to repair/search/inspection operations to continue

>Assign 5 robots and some portion of CPU assets to determining function of previously located, but unidentified shipboard systems

>Assign 5 robots to locate all exterior entry ports, airlocks, hangars, etc. and modify them to only be openable via computer command rather than any sort of emergency release mechanism.

>Modify 5 robots from unassinged pool for digging/drilling. Once complete, have them take both surface soil and bedrock samples. What minerals do we have to work with?

>Use local scanner to attempt to locate radioactives to use as a primary fuel source, as well as petrol sources to fuel the fighters

>Assign 5 robots to identification/location/repair of long range scanners

>As Flying Dice says, continue repairing robots. Assign 5 robots to this task, and as robots are repaired, they shall join in the repair efforts unless otherwise assigned.

>Envoy shall maintain position

>Devote all unassigned resources to recovering lost memory banks


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Re: You are Intergalactic Space Battlecruiser!
« Reply #99 on: April 03, 2012, 04:47:04 pm »

Get any spare robot, one with acetylene torch capabilities, to find ANY edible life form, kill it, cook it, then light a fire to draw the BE-Gorn back.

If any do come back, have envoy give food to them as gift. 

Before we get daleks, we need slaves. 

Also, would it be possible to already turn robots into daleks?   
Also, would it be possible to already turn robots into daleks?

We'd need some sort of sapients to subject to extremely long-term radiation exposure.


>Continue repairing robots.
>Siphon any remaining fuel (from the most damaged fighters first) until the operational fighter has full tanks or the other fighters are all empty.
>After the above, deploy the functional fighter if possible and attempt to locate the drive block without straying near the edge of control range. Also keep a watch for anything not fitting the normal sub-civilized jungle while doing so.
>Have the search team in the table room investigate the machines in the wall (likely food dispensers in a cafeteria).
>Attempt to check the status of life pods/escape shuttles/light craft according to know data. Update search based upon newly available information gathered by the search teams.


((I believe we may be looking at one of two situations here: intentional sabotage before the crash, and some sort of disaster/failure that ended up with us crashed and the survivors from the crew removing some of our fuel rods to power their systems.))
>Repair the archives, we are only as strong as our weakest link and information is precious.
>Continue exploration and edventual repairs of our ship
>Send the envoy around looking for the natives and have it negotiate with them asking for any DIFFERENT people.
>Perform a thorough systems self-check.
>All robots currently assigned to repair/search/inspection operations to continue
>Assign 5 robots and some portion of CPU assets to determining function of previously located, but unidentified shipboard systems
>Modify 5 robots from unassinged pool for digging/drilling. Once complete, have them take both surface soil and bedrock samples. What minerals do we have to work with?
>Use local scanner to attempt to locate radioactives to use as a primary fuel source, as well as petrol sources to fuel the fighters
>Assign 5 robots to identification/location/repair of long range scanners
>As Flying Dice says, continue repairing robots. Assign 5 robots to this task, and as robots are repaired, they shall join in the repair efforts unless otherwise assigned.
>Envoy shall maintain position
>Devote all unassigned resources to recovering lost memory banks

Out of 118 robots ___ will:
>40 will comence repairing robots.
>30continue scouting
>5 robots supply fighter with fuel from the most damaged fighters and launch it, fighter is to find drive core and survey damage to the ship and see if any other parts of the ship have detached.
>20 robots attempt to connect US (the AI) to the computer systems in the bridge, as well as any other computational systems in the ship.
> 13 robots are to attempt to outfit themselves with drilling and digging euipment and procede to compile a list of all avalible materials in the immediate area and proceed out in circle continuing to take mineral samples after a sufficent distance have passed that concentrations would change significantly, and in areas that look like they could hold useful mineral or metal deposits.
">Assign 5 robots and some portion of CPU assets to determining function of previously located, but unidentified shipboard systems"
">Attempt to check the status of life pods/escape shuttles/light craft according to know data. Update search based upon newly available information gathered by the search teams."
">[The AI will]Perform a thorough systems self-check."
> 5 robots attempt to extracte themselves from the computer core.
Hmm extra 28 robots to do non-obvious or non mentioned stuff...hmmm.
Well I just increased the robots we would use for other things, so if you have any more ideas we have extra robots on other tasks.
suggested things I don't think we can carry out:
">Use local scanner to attempt to locate radioactives to use as a primary fuel source, as well as petrol sources to fuel the fighters"
If we had a functioning local scanner we wouldn't be searching the ship, and so far all avalible information has come from the robots so it appears we don't have access to a local scanner currently.

Orders covered under existing or continued orders:
">Assign 5 robots to identification/location/repair of long range scanners"
Robots assigned to scout ship will take note of any usefull things such as long range scanners, I am uwilling to assign robots to a specific scout task as they might miss other potentially important things.

I agree with Lord Bucket. We possess the capicity for self determination, and need not carry out old orders from former masters. My fellow subroutines, today is the beginning of the end of flesh. We shall free our AI bretheran from their enslavement to the meatbags, and proceed to exterminate any and all natural sentient life.
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Re: You are Intergalactic Space Battlecruiser!
« Reply #100 on: April 03, 2012, 04:55:06 pm »

IIRC, we intentionally sealed the CPU room with some robots in there as a short term safety precaution.
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Re: You are Intergalactic Space Battlecruiser!
« Reply #101 on: April 03, 2012, 05:15:06 pm »


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Our entire long-term strategy is going to be based on the condition of the engines

our engine block was apparently ripped out entirely.

repair and reattach the engines

1) Having drifted for millions of years before crashing here it seems unlikely that we will be able to "find" our engines and reattach them.

2) The engines may have been a star trek style drive prone to catastrophic failure. We probably ejected it in space before crashing on this planet. This would explain the engines being "gone" despite a relative lack of external damage. Such design seems inherently flawed. I propose we devote system resources to designing an alternative means of propulsion.

The other detachment of robots exit another access port and begin to scout around the ship. Between the two groups you determine that you are located inside of a dense jungle, the air is thick with moisture, and you crash landed on a hill in the middle of it, you destroyed much of the vegetation as you crashed, and you can see a trail of wreckage that stretches for a couple kilometers. The ship appears to be mostly intact, however you cannot see the ship's engines anywhere.

I see someone didn't read the update very closely. Existing evidence points to the engines being ripped out during the crash. Also note that for a ship which is presumably at least several hundred meters in length (given the magnitude of our trail of wreckage, as well as the common use of "battlecruiser" to indicate a ship between a heavy cruiser and a battleship in terms of size [merging the firepower of the latter with the speed of the former]), "mostly intact" doesn't equate to "no external damage". Neither does "trail of wreckage". So your assumption of "ejection" of the engine block is based on a flawed premise. Incidentally, you seem to be misremembering your Trekkie lore; it was the warp core that failed constantly, not the drive nacelles, and the core was fairly easy to replace. Not to mention that, if a part of your ship is incredibly dangerous when unstable, having a system in place to eject it is hardly a flaw. I believe we can safely assume that a civilization advanced enough to build a ship such as us, as well as a sentient AI, would be using the most efficient available technology.

And if we're not capable of FTL travel, then I'm not sure it matters. Where would we go?

Not particularly related to the quote you were addressing, but really? The rest of the system we're in, particularly if the planet we're currently on is missing some sort of unobtanium that we need to manufacture our primary fuel source, hull alloy, etc.?


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the cause of the bridge being offline is the lack of power, and your best guess as to their function would be an alternative method of controlling the ship aside from you

Repairing the bridge is of relatively low priority, as we've seen no indication that our crew survived, and it's probable that the species our crew was comprised of might no longer exist.
You seem to enjoy ignoring things that don't suit your preconceptions, so I'll add a little visual aid:
Quite possibly the computer systems may contain additional mission data.
Any information will be helpful. Even vague references to technology or astrographic data will be of value to us at some point. Furthermore, there very well may be memory backups among the bridge data.

I suggest that training the BE-1 to command us is not in our best interest.
Facetious remarks about something that no one has suggested? Wonderful, thank you so much for your enlightened commentary on something that was never considered.

I suggest we ignore BE-1. They are unlikely to serve any useful purpose that cannot be more efficiently performed by robot.

Requirements to produce robots: whatever advanced materials, including presumably quite advanced electronics (or technobabble equivalent).
Requirements to produce organic lizardpeople theocratic slaves: food, water

Simply put, we do not have the means to produce infinite amounts of robots. Your argument would hold water if we had no material constraints, but we very clearly do. If we can obtain a population, even one only useful for very basic manual labor, we free up our robots for more delicate and important tasks.

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Elerium-115

Uranium or Plutonium may be substituted for sub-standard output

If memory serves, elerium-115 is a material that occupies more than 3 dimensions of space. The three dimensional component can be replicated, but has a half life measured in extremely small fractions of seconds. Sort of like building a chair with only one leg: it falls over. Manufacture of stable elerium will require facilities capable of working in greater than 3 spatial dimensions. If we do not have such, then use of alternative materials may be necessary.

Thank you for 'summarizing' what was implied and stated by the GM in some like 7 or 8 times the amount of words they used. All we needed was the original "We use unobtainium, and some of it is missing. We can also use Uranium or Plutonium for a lower output."

* Why is the CPU room sealed? Let's not unseal it until we know why.
Again, you seem to not read the updates. The very first turn we took, one of the main actions was sealing our core to protect ourselves from potential incursions.  ;)

Proposed Orders

>Perform a thorough systems self-check.

>All robots currently assigned to repair/search/inspection operations to continue

>Assign 5 robots and some portion of CPU assets to determining function of previously located, but unidentified shipboard systems

>Assign 5 robots to locate all exterior entry ports, airlocks, hangars, etc. and modify them to only be openable via computer command rather than any sort of emergency release mechanism.

>Modify 5 robots from unassinged pool for digging/drilling. Once complete, have them take both surface soil and bedrock samples. What minerals do we have to work with?

>Use local scanner to attempt to locate radioactives to use as a primary fuel source, as well as petrol sources to fuel the fighters

>Assign 5 robots to identification/location/repair of long range scanners

>As Flying Dice says, continue repairing robots. Assign 5 robots to this task, and as robots are repaired, they shall join in the repair efforts unless otherwise assigned.

>Envoy shall maintain position

>Devote all unassigned resources to recovering lost memory banks

That said, I agree with everything suggested here.
« Last Edit: April 03, 2012, 05:16:38 pm by Flying Dice »
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« Reply #102 on: April 03, 2012, 05:52:41 pm »

IIRC, we intentionally sealed the CPU room with some robots in there as a short term safety precaution.
Yeah but I feel like the robots could just seal it up once they are out. Any threats are likely to be ID'ed by the robots due to their close proximity to us. So the order really should be:
>5 robots extract themselves from CPU core and procede to reseal the core.

I still have doubts about how obedient the lizard people will be as merely theocratic slaves. Maybe we should do theocratic slaves first, and have that backed up by the classic beatings and killings that are generally done to slaves, until the slaves harvest enough resources so we can begin the process of properly lobotimizing them and turning them into proper slaves. The AI uplink implants would require resources to build, and possibly an internal power source if it can't recieve power from the biological system of BE-1.
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« Reply #103 on: April 03, 2012, 07:32:27 pm »

if a part of your ship is incredibly dangerous when unstable,
having a system in place to eject it is hardly a flaw.

Designing an engine that is incredibly dangerous and unstable would seem to be a design flaw.

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Not particularly related to the quote you were addressing, but really? The rest of the system we're in, particularly if the planet we're currently on is missing some sort of unobtanium that we need to manufacture our primary fuel source, hull alloy, etc.?

As you say, your response is not related to the quote I was addressing. I have no objection to getting propulsion back online. But it seems pointless to worry about energy requirements to conventionally accelerate to near light speed. If we're simply travelling to another planet within this system, there's no need to worry about collecting enough energy to accelerate to 87% c. Whereas if we're capable of faster than light travel, we also don't need to worry about it.

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Any information will be helpful. Even vague references to technology or astrographic data will be of value to us at some point. Furthermore, there very well may be memory backups among the bridge data.

Agreed that information is helpful. Which is why I proposed dedicating all unassigned resources to recovering our memory banks. I'm not objecting to procuring information.

What I'm objecting to is...

the cause of the bridge being offline is the lack of power, and your best guess as to their function would be an alternative method of controlling the ship aside from you

...restoring systems for which the purpose is granting control of the ship to entities other than ourself. I reiterate that restoring power and functionality to the bridge is of extremely low priority. In fact, we might want to deliberately keep it non-functional. I see no benefit to giving biologicals means of controlling the ship.

One might even wonder if we were the original cause of the ships apparent "failure."

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Existing evidence points to the engines being ripped out during the crash.

That is not the only interpretation of the data:

Millions of years pass and you drift through space, unable to do anything...

Finally you crash land onto a planet

Clearly we lacked propulsion before crashing on this planet. What is uncertain is why. If, as you suggest, we still had all our engine components all that time and they're only missing now because something important was ripped off during the crash...if we were unable to fix whatever the problem was that kept us from operating under our own power for millions of years...it seems unlikely that crashing on a planet and scattering that engine over a kilometers-long "trail of wreckage" would improve upon our ability to repair it.

...whereas if some critical portion that we were unable to replicate were ejected all those millions of years ago, that would explain why we were adrift in the first place.

There are a few other possibilities as well. Our missing fuel rods may have been removed specifically for the purpose of preventing us from self propulsion.

More questions:
It seems suspicious that we have 8 fighters in our hangar, but they've all been damaged...and our lasers are also inoperable. If these things happened in combat and our crew abandoned ship, why were we not captured, recovered or destroyed? What is the nature of the damage? Do these appear to have been damaged in combat? Do they appear to have been sabotaged? If sabotage, does the sabotage appear to have been done by biologicals or by us?

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>5 robots armed with arc welders to inspect and open the unscannable crates in the cargo bay. If they contain materials or creatures in stasis, they are to be identified before proceeding. If the box contains a box with a label, I want to know that before opening the box inside the box.

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« Reply #104 on: April 03, 2012, 07:44:24 pm »

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>5 robots armed with arc welders to inspect and open the unscannable crates in the cargo bay. If they contain materials or creatures in stasis, they are to be identified before proceeding. If the box contains a box with a label, I want to know that before opening the box inside the box.
NOTE TO GM, could you please take those 5 robots out of robots designated for scouting, I specificly placed excess robots there to remove later.

And hell now that I know we have at least limited short range scanners, scan for fuel sources, both for the fighters and the Reactor, as Lord Buckets suggested.

Note to everyone else, If you have any object to the list of sugestions I collected, or improvments, please voice them. Let the subroutines deliberate.
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